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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884293
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In kansas the castle doctrine extends to your place of work. Deadly force is authorized if someone is unlawfully entering your dwelling and you believe you life is in danger or bodily harm could be caused. According to what I just read.


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884296
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here in ks yo u can use deadly force to protect property if you have no other reasonable course of action. reasonable of course is not defined. looting and burning i think would qualify as reasonable cause.

21-5223. Use of force in defense of dwelling. [Amends K.S.A. 2010 Supp. § 21-3212]
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that it
appears to such person and such person reasonably believes that such use of force is necessary to
prevent or terminate such other’s unlawful entry into or attack upon such person’s dwelling,
place of work or occupied vehicle.

https://ag.ks.gov/docs/documents/self-defense-statutes.pdf?sfvrsn=516a2f2b_4


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: loosegoose] #6884301
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
I say deadly force should be reserved for deadly situations, any thing other than that is unjustified. That, of course, doesn't mean you just have to let people take your stuff. You should of course be able to go hands on and detain someone, using whatever force that takes.


I have to agree, IF someone is taking item out of my garage I have to call the police.


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884302
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Thanks for the link Danny that is what I read earlier.


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884311
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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884318
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During a situation simulation at the Criminal Justice Academy the one I got wrong was a courtroom setting and the witness left the stand and approached with a knife. I was confident I could disarm him so I didn’t shoot. This being a justifiable shooting situation for the sim, I got it wrong.

I would think if a situation is justifiable for law enforcement, it certainly should be for a citizen.


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6884380
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It's very hard to defend against a knife attack. If you do, prepare to get cut.

The police are in a no-win situation. I feel for them. The problem is if you have to think to use deadly force, it very well may be too late. If someone broke into your house or business it would be near impossible to tell if that person would not have evil intent.



Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
During a situation simulation at the Criminal Justice Academy the one I got wrong was a courtroom setting and the witness left the stand and approached with a knife. I was confident I could disarm him so I didn’t shoot. This being a justifiable shooting situation for the sim, I got it wrong.

I would think if a situation is justifiable for law enforcement, it certainly should be for a citizen.

Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: jtg] #6884385
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Originally Posted by jtg
It's very hard to defend against a knife attack. If you do, prepare to get cut.



Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
During a situation simulation at the Criminal Justice Academy the one I got wrong was a courtroom setting and the witness left the stand and approached with a knife. I was confident I could disarm him so I didn’t shoot. This being a justifiable shooting situation for the sim, I got it wrong.

I would think if a situation is justifiable for law enforcement, it certainly should be for a citizen.



You don’t really “defend” against a knife attack since extreme offense is the favored method.


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884394
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Indeed, sir!



Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
[quote=jtg]It's very hard to defend against a knife attack. If you do, prepare to get cut.


You don’t really “defend” against a knife attack since extreme offense is the favored method.

Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: Getting There] #6884400
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Originally Posted by loosegoose
I say deadly force should be reserved for deadly situations, any thing other than that is unjustified. That, of course, doesn't mean you just have to let people take your stuff. You should of course be able to go hands on and detain someone, using whatever force that takes.


I have to agree, IF someone is taking item out of my garage I have to call the police.


How do you know they aren’t there to kill you? Nobody has any idea what their intentions are unless they turn and run out the building.

Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884407
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The rule is do not let a knife get within 30 feet of you, a drill to try is you face a target with your gun holstered a runner faces the other way to start. The runner takes off you the draw and shoot the target the runner stops when they hear the shot. Turn around and see how far the runner gets.


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884427
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Why does the looter have more rights than the shop owner .

If the nightly news showed a bunch of them welfare collectors gunned down in the middle of the street it wouldn't take long for a new reality.

But instead the news glorifies the chump who ( only with practice ) can run through broken glass and burning cars with six boxes of size 13 high top Nikes.

We live in a world with no consequences unless you are a law abiding citizen

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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: Law Dog] #6884434
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In the dark, moving around doors and clearing houses, you will only have a few feet. In that case it best to bring your own knife to a gun fight. Like one of these. https://spartanbladesusa.com/


Originally Posted by Law Dog
The rule is do not let a knife get within 30 feet of you, a drill to try is you face a target with your gun holstered a runner faces the other way to start. The runner takes off you the draw and shoot the target the runner stops when they hear the shot. Turn around and see how far the runner gets.

Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: jtg] #6884439
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Originally Posted by jtg
In the dark, moving around doors and clearing houses, you will only have a few feet. In that case it best to bring your own knife to a gun fight. Like one of these. https://spartanbladesusa.com/


house clearing is a team activity , you hope the body armor keeps you from a fatal injury while you team STOPS the threat should you not be able to stop it first.

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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884471
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Maybe the 3s's need to apply to the 2 legged predators as well as the winged and 4 legged ones.

Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884511
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Shoot the first one then stick his head on a pole out front as a deterrence.
Seriously,if it is a black perp and you are white-no you cant shoot him for any reason or you will be railroaded to the fullest extent.
If he's the same colour as you, fire away.


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884516
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On news tonight there was a reporter standing outside a business and the looters were carrying out stuff as the camera was rolling. Lol


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884620
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The shooting yesterday was a business owner protecting his property.


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: Law Dog] #6884692
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
The shooting yesterday was a business owner protecting his property.


I understand he was arrested, is this correct?


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Re: Use of deadly force protecting your business [Re: larrywaugh] #6884704
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My plan is to avoid ever needing to shoot anybody. If that fails go to a jury if needed. Hiding a body is definitely a real bad idea. If you are discovered you will absolutely go to jail.


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