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Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903762
06/19/20 07:29 AM
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I was considering putting motion sensors attached to loudspeakers at the end of my driveway. Trigger the beam and the first few cords of Dueling Banjos play. Another ten feet in more sensors and a bit more of Dueling Banjos. Another ten feet and those sensors trigger the full song at about 150dB.

Anybody crazy enough to continue down the driveway after that is clearly a danger to themselves and others and could be justifiably shot.





Eh...wot?

Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903765
06/19/20 07:31 AM
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ain't a person in the tri county area that don't believe i'm bat crap crazy.better than any sign.









Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903781
06/19/20 07:54 AM
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I like the question for discussion purposes but it doesn't seem applicable to interior Alaska. With that in mind I would say up your preparedness but do nothing outwardly visible. I see 2 scenarios where the inhabitants of a self reliant homestead might come under attack. One is where there is a real need by those outside the homestead, real social breakdown such that food supplies are not available. We are no where near that. The other scenario is protesters vying for air time on the news networks, trying to make the biggest splash as they destroy and loot the property of those who have worked and earned more than them. It seems counter productive to attract the attention of those intent on looting and destruction. So, maintain a low profile and a high level of preparedness.

Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903785
06/19/20 07:57 AM
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A pile of bodies around your driveway entrance should get the message across! lol


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Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903794
06/19/20 08:04 AM
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My security system is cost effective.

Missing boards on barn siding.
Gravel driveway with potholes.
Junk trunk sitting in barn lot.
Yard needs mowed.
Weeds growing around barns.
Vehicle over 10 years old.
Mailbox about to fall off.
Mutt dog barking at everything.

Anyone looking to rob and steal is driving right on by.

Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903799
06/19/20 08:09 AM
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I use that same system tomahawker, it's very effective and cost efficient.


Eh...wot?

Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903800
06/19/20 08:10 AM
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Want to put your place on a thieves list?

Blacktop/concrete driveway
Manicured lawn
Landscaping
Brand new vehicles
Designer dog inside underground dog fence
Little electric candles in every window
Never be outside with shirt off
Never go barefoot

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Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903801
06/19/20 08:11 AM
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Razor wire ready to string out around the house brick/ cement walls around the base of the house learn the difference between cover and concealment they are not the same.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: Lugnut] #6903803
06/19/20 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I use that same system tomahawker, it's very effective and cost efficient.


Lol!

Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903804
06/19/20 08:15 AM
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I have a cousin who killed two trespassers on his farm. They were both armed, but my cousin was a better shot. He had no signs up then, or now. Then again, nobody even stops to ask if they can hunt his ground anymore, let alone, try to steal his stuff. I'd guess, if you knock the first one down in the driveway, the rest will run like scared coyotes. No signage necessary.


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Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903818
06/19/20 08:45 AM
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You would think Alaska would have different issues then a rural setting in the lower 48 to contend with that needs to be considered. The skill level of the offender might be better along with the need for shelter in a area like AK that comes into play.

Some poor lost sap walking up the driveway Seeking shelter would be no threat signs or not. Either way you should have a family plan in place for different situations that could come up and hand signals to direct it by.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903870
06/19/20 10:00 AM
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I would avoid signage that states much other than dead end , private road , no trespassing and maybe a gate or chain.

if you have them dogs that patrol the yard or pastures inside fences

I wouldn't expect to much for issues , in AK

the Antifa types so far seem fairly deterred by loss of life . they get very gutsy till they get shot then the hole lot seems to turn and run and beg for police protection. the police they wanted to defund 20 seconds earlier , the police they hate.

carry openly and keep the shotgun or rifle handy in the truck , tractor , utv , atv what ever is close regular and extra ammo close at hand

plane old wood shotgun should be plenty functional use what you know and have flashy isn't necessary functional is

these antifa types are in my opinion more likely to get riled up by signage and it is likely to be used against you . more than leaving some grass long and carrying around a shotgun or rifle where ever you go.

talk with the others that live on your road , if it won't effect deliveries or such a gate or chain out at the end of the road to keep unwanted traffic from the road.

if you have live stock I would assume you have fences , fences that deny entry , good hot electric can do a lot.

cctv so you can see the end of the drive or road from the house are good


I pray you never need any of it

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Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903873
06/19/20 10:03 AM
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I live in a small town of around 4500. I open carry around the house. People can see when the drive by that i'm totin a roscoe. Just a little deterent.
Also have a sign on the door that says "nothin inside is worth dying for"


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Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: lee steinmeyer] #6903880
06/19/20 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
A pile of bodies around your driveway entrance should get the message across! lol


I think a body stuck every 8 to 16 feet, on a fence post would be a better optical deterrent, than 1 big pile of bodies.

Keith

Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: KeithC] #6903884
06/19/20 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
A pile of bodies around your driveway entrance should get the message across! lol


I think a body stuck every 8 to 16 feet, on a fence post would be a better optical deterrent, than 1 big pile of bodies.

Keith

I can see you've put some thought into this Keith lol. Would a healthy compromise be every 12ft, and should they be horizontal or vertical on the post? grin


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903887
06/19/20 10:24 AM
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Jeff, I would just use existing fence posts or put up posts as needed. Vertical close to normal human height would work best, so that would be invaders are face to rotting face.

Keith

Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: KeithC] #6903890
06/19/20 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Jeff, I would just use existing fence posts or put up posts as needed. Vertical close to normal human height would work best, so that would be invaders are face to rotting face.

Keith

Brilliant!


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903891
06/19/20 10:29 AM
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I dont go to far out of my way, but i dont have much of anything that is visible from just driving by the house on the road. If you can see anything under my shed or on my porch you are standing on my neighbors property which i trust all of them completely. I dont have silly signs posted which could be used against me if i need to defend myself or family. Nor straight out alerting people that i have guns inside the house. I try to keep the yard mowed but only weedeat a few times a year so it aint perfectly manicured but its clean. I also live in a very safe neighborhood on a dead end dirt road. I recognize pretty well any vehicles that live here.
On the other hand my yard is fenced in all the way around with a clear line or fire to my property line from anywhere in my house. Im never more than a few steps from a rifle anywhere in my house. My kids that are old enough know how to operate those firearms. I pay attention to who is driving around and if you creep by my house slowly you are being watched. I no longer leave weapons in my truck that can be used against me before you make it inside my house if you didnt bring your own. I dont leave my house unarmed either. While i was and still am an advocate for open carry I now agree with some that the time for that has passed with the state of the country and concealed carry is all around the better option. At this point im carrying spare mags too.


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Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903893
06/19/20 10:32 AM
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Don't hang the bodies in trees. They fall off after a couple of month and you'll have to get new ones to replace them.


Let's go Brandon

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Re: Optics of Deterrence [Re: 30/06] #6903897
06/19/20 10:35 AM
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Its much better to slide em up on spikes like vlad tepes did. Seemed pretty effective for him


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