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Gun question #6904005
06/19/20 12:24 PM
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I'm not a gunsmith or engineer. But I was wondering...

A few months back the Mrs. was in the local gun shop with me and saw a Rossi Circuit Judge on the shelf. She looked it over, liked it, and it came home with us. The cylinder will hold 5 shots of 45 LC or up to 3" magnum .410 shells. 18.5 barrel...

I was looking at it the other day and wondered if it would be possible to replace the cylinder and shoot 45-70 with it... It looks like there would be room. But I don't know if the frame could withstand that kind of load.

This is obviously something I wouldn't attempt on my own. But I thought I might contact Rossi and see if it could be done.

But I figured before calling/emailing I would ask and see if it was even in the realm of being physically possible.

Whaddya think?

Mike


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Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904010
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Wonder how .410 slugs would shoot out of it?

Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904012
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Jmo, if that gun could shoot that round safely it would be listed as such because it would be another selling point.

Re: Gun question [Re: Huntall76] #6904015
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Originally Posted by Huntall76
Jmo, if that gun could shoot that round safely it would be listed as such because it would be another selling point.


Possibly.

Or they just didn't see enough of a market to justify tooling up to produce a second cylinder for it.

Mike


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Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904017
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The 45LC has a diameter od .451 some lead bullets are sized to .454. The 45-70 bullet is .458 ... That would bake for interesting pressures if ya could hammer one of those into the drum.


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Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904021
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Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904025
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I loaded a 45-70 case with three muzzleloader balls one time. That made folks look when I'd take one shot and have 3 holes in the target! grin

Trouble was, I could only get 23gr of powder in it. 2 balls might've been better. Killed a buck with it tho. Lol

Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904026
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Now if ya have a long piece of string to tie to the trigger and a tree to hide behind. I can send you one of my 454Cassul rounds to test how much that judge can handle.


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Re: Gun question [Re: hippie] #6904034
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Originally Posted by hippie
Wonder how .410 slugs would shoot out of it?


We haven't even taken it out to shoot yet... But research says that it will safely handle them... Although accuracy is pretty bad due to the slug diameter being under bore size.

Mike


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Re: Gun question [Re: Scuba1] #6904037
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
The 45LC has a diameter od .451 some lead bullets are sized to .454. The 45-70 bullet is .458 ... That would bake for interesting pressures if ya could hammer one of those into the drum.

Like Scuba said. Pistol .45 and rifle.45 two different critters. Normal operating pressure also. The simple answer is no.


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Originally Posted by Scuba1
The 45LC has a diameter od .451 some lead bullets are sized to .454. The 45-70 bullet is .458 ... That would bake for interesting pressures if ya could hammer one of those into the drum.


Sure 'nuff. Guess I missed that extra .004 while researching.

That's settled. Saved me from writing an email.

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Re: Gun question [Re: cmcf] #6904045
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Originally Posted by cmcf
Originally Posted by Scuba1
The 45LC has a diameter od .451 some lead bullets are sized to .454. The 45-70 bullet is .458 ... That would bake for interesting pressures if ya could hammer one of those into the drum.

Like Scuba said. Pistol .45 and rifle.45 two different critters. Normal operating pressure also. The simple answer is no.



Saw that too. 14,000 vs 28,000. But that is SAAMI ammo pressures... No idea what the gun would safely handle.

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Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904051
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i would bet the judge can only handle cowboy 45 colt loads

would prob spit parts out with some of the loads i shoot in my ruger blackhawk


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Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904070
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isn't the rossi a taurs judge frame and cyclinder with an 18.5 inch barrel and a shroud to keep from the cylinder gap burning you ?

Rossi web site says you can use 45lc 2 1/2 or 3 inch 410 shells

if you need more power than a 45lc time to get a bigger gun

get some regular off the shelf 45lc and see how they shoot

yes there is a reason that the loading manuals have RUGER ONLY loads section for 45lc

if you are a reloader you could run these https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021121049?pid=221515 and be loaded up for less than a quarter a round.

when you keep the pressures down to regular 45lc the brass lasts ans lasts

a max load of CFE Pistol is 13,000 psi and claims 1000fps form a pistol with cast lead, a 18.5 inch barrel you probably pick up a little more velocity. that hi-tech coating glides through dies and barrels with very little friction. load coated cast lead like cast lead but they seem to slide easier in the barrel and the barrel stays clean.


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Re: Gun question [Re: Mike in A-town] #6904092
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Georgia arms loads an affordable .45 colt load they call the "deer stopper". I have shot several deer with it and dont know why anyone would need more power than that

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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
isn't the rossi a taurs judge frame and cyclinder with an 18.5 inch barrel and a shroud to keep from the cylinder gap burning you ?

Rossi web site says you can use 45lc 2 1/2 or 3 inch 410 shells

if you need more power than a 45lc time to get a bigger gun

get some regular off the shelf 45lc and see how they shoot

yes there is a reason that the loading manuals have RUGER ONLY loads section for 45lc

if you are a reloader you could run these https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021121049?pid=221515 and be loaded up for less than a quarter a round.

when you keep the pressures down to regular 45lc the brass lasts ans lasts

a max load of CFE Pistol is 13,000 psi and claims 1000fps form a pistol with cast lead, a 18.5 inch barrel you probably pick up a little more velocity. that hi-tech coating glides through dies and barrels with very little friction. load coated cast lead like cast lead but they seem to slide easier in the barrel and the barrel stays clean.



I'm not a huge fan of 45 LC... But it's her gun.

Mike


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Kind of reminds me of something that happened to me back about '72 or '73. Our local hardware store sold a few guns & had some Clerke brand Saturday Night Specials in the display case.
My dad had owned 1 & I told the store clerk that I would Never have a piece of junk like that. He replied that he wouldn't sell it to me anyway. When I asked why not re replied..." look a little closer".
I did and they had shipped it with a .22 barrel but a.... .32 cylinder. Wow! No QC at all.

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You can shoot 410 slugs out of them.


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