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Re: Union Poll [Re: teepee2] #6909261
06/24/20 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by teepee2
Originally Posted by walleyed



No !!!

Unions never did squat for me except steal my dues money,
and use it to elect Liberal Progressive Democrats

I deployed the Supreme Court's Janus Decision,
and opted out of my last union 1st chance I got.

Unions are a carbuncle on the arse of the working man !!! frown

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They have a 10$ magazine you had to buy also?


At least you got a magazine from NAFA if they forced you to pay $10.00.

With forced union dues, you didn't even get that.

Funny you should draw a parallel between NAFA and unions.

NAFA finally ran themselves out of business,

and unions are well on their way to self-destructing as well !!! LOL laugh

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Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909263
06/24/20 01:15 PM
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My Teamsters rep came in for years he went and talked to the boss who was non union but never the union guys Did not know who he was we had words when I figured that.

When the mechanics were on strike we were told not to cross the picket line when asked if they would give us strike pay (was not much) they said no. We asked what we paid dews for then, they said you pay dues to work there!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Union Poll [Re: The Beav] #6909286
06/24/20 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour.


Really? This high school dropout averages 75/hr. But then again I am management, and labor.


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Re: Union Poll [Re: The Beav] #6909288
06/24/20 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour.


And bread would be a nickel a loaf.


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Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909296
06/24/20 01:49 PM
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Don't bet on It.


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Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909302
06/24/20 01:52 PM
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There are very few if any union meat cutters left i havnt noticed any reduction in cost there

Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909321
06/24/20 02:12 PM
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At one time, Unions were needed and they saved the workin man. On both sides of my family, they was all coal Miners. My Great Gpa struck in the 20's and thirties and my kin is still striking as of last year anyhow and helped give bloody Harlan it's name.

But, Unions, just like most things, wavered from truth and got corrupt and greedy. Why, human nature I reckon and putting Democrats in office. Unions today imo, are nothing more then another arm for the Democratic party to stay in office. Keepin p*** poor Teachers teachin our youngin's and p*** poor cops on the job that give the good ones a bad name.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Union Poll [Re: The Beav] #6909333
06/24/20 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour.


Baloney

Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909346
06/24/20 02:48 PM
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Had a buddy that worked a non union railroad job for a mine.
His wages were good,a little better than union,but he had to work when they said.
He did not have the choice to refuse work above and beyond his regular hours.The company used their workforce to make up for not hiring as many people.He was working on the trains up to 80 hours a week-the money was good-that was not the issue-he could not get hardly any time off.His marriage failed,he wound up losing the job thru the divorce,and was on the skids for a while.Once he got straightened out he came back to the union RR job he left years before and did very well for himself.
He always felt he was used by the non union mining company and felt like a slave-even though the money was good-he had no life.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Union Poll [Re: Boco] #6909351
06/24/20 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Had a buddy that worked a non union railroad job for a mine.
His wages were good,a little better than union,but he had to work when they said.
He did not have the choice to refuse work above and beyond his regular hours.The company used their workforce to make up for not hiring as many people.He was working on the trains up to 80 hours a week-the money was good-that was not the issue-he could not get hardly any time off.His marriage failed,he wound up losing the job thru the divorce,and was on the skids for a while.Once he got straightened out he came back to the union RR job he left years before and did very well for himself.
He always felt he was used by the non union mining company and felt like a slave-even though the money was good-he had no life.

I can clearly see where capitalism and the free market was the demise of true family values and structure in Canada, some don't see it. grin


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Union Poll [Re: The Beav] #6909355
06/24/20 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour.


Cause of the unions many aren't working at all.
I know lots of mfg. places that left cause the unions wouldn't bargain. Now there is no work for any wage.

If unions would work with management they would add value to having a union. As it is having a union is a downside for management.

If unions were smart they would offer to handle all the employee issues from hiring to firing. They should work on training employees, hiring good people, firing bad employees. This would let management wash their hands of employee issues. Something they would rather not deal with. In this scenario the unions would be adding value to a company and could get away with even higher wages for qualified hard working employees instead of fighting to keep the bad.

Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909372
06/24/20 03:19 PM
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I put 40 years in the Steelworkers Union.We needed Unions back in the day.Its because of Unions that there is safety in the work place today,weekends,time off with pay.etc.The shop I worked at,,my Dad actualy got the Union in there back in 1946.He was fresh out of the Marines.Company would pay no overtime no matter how many hours worked.Would tell a guy don't show up for work Friday,,but we need you here all day Saturday or sunday.for straight pay.No time off for illness or a sick child.No vacation ,zero concerne for the safety of the worker.Unions battled to remedy all that.BUT,,there came a time later in my working years when the Unions started to NOT fight for the rank and file working man.Union Staff became lazy and didn't want to make waves as long as their Union Staff retirement was stable.I had it out with several staff "leaders" towards the end.I was shop steward in our mill for the last 35 of my 40 years there,,and several times had to straighten things out with our headquarters in Pittsburgh because of local Staff not willing to fight for the workers.They got lazy and were more concerned with themselves.All in all,,I have a lot to thank the union for.I made a decent living and have a good pension.

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Re: Union Poll [Re: The Beav] #6909398
06/24/20 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour.

TRUE STORY!

Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909400
06/24/20 03:46 PM
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I had a foreman who once told me the only thing worse than a union was not having a union.In my work experiences that was very,very true.


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Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909402
06/24/20 03:48 PM
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The president of the barbers union was living well in South America off of the Union money he robbed from the workers.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909410
06/24/20 04:00 PM
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I have worked for a few unions and along side more than I care to count. I didn't mind the pay but the benefits and such weren't the best. Working with guys who didn't want to work was terrible. Did work with some really good guys and hard working as well. Working along side many in the nuke plants I realized very fast why the cost of electricity is so (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) high. I had to rely on them to get work done. Always had to work along side a plant employee while in the plant. What I found was that I usually got about 3 hours worth of work done if it were and 8 hours shift. Example: Get to work at 630. Go to the morning brief at 7 which usually last a half hour or more. Wouldn't go to the floor because break was at 915 and lasted until 945. Got the the floor about 1015 and would have to leave at 1130 because of lunch. 1245 get back up to the floor and have to come down again at 230 so the guys could finish any little paperwork ( which I normally did while working) and take a shower. Out the door at 330. Now if I did that I would be fired and their bosses would have a fit. But that's the contract. Some Union stewards are the worst because they go through the contracts with a fine tooth come and figure out every little loophole. That's just some of my experiences

That was every day at every plant across the country.

Now my grandfather worked for the railroad and made a very good living. Very good pension and benefits. But I also know that the railroad always got their monies worth out of him and his crews as well.

Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909449
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I'm In MEBA (Marine Engineers Beneficial Association). We get pretty good insurance and good wages, slightly less than others in the marine industry but that is normal for the great lakes My company can hire directly, not thru the union hall so we get pretty good people. The union's politics are left of most of the members that I know they will not hesitate to support or endorse a Republican who supports the Merchant Marine and Jones Act. Over all I'm pretty happy with the union and feel I get a better deal then I would at the few non-union companies in this industry.

Re: Union Poll [Re: warrior] #6909452
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I worked in the UMWA for 7 years, then in non union mines for the next 30 years. The big selling point for union organizers for many years was the UMWA pension fund and health card for retirees. Both funds ran out of money, and they ran to the Feds to bail them out. I retired from the non union mines at age 54, with plenty of money saved as well a million dollars in a 401 k. The UMWA pension benefits would have been a fraction of what my 401 k was worth.

The UMWA is dying on the vine.

Re: Union Poll [Re: The Beav] #6909453
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Originally Posted by The Beav
To a point. I made really good money being in the pipe fitters union. But they protected the lazy SOBs that worked right along side of me. I normally ran jobs and I would have a lazy SOB on the job and I would lay him off. But the union would just send him out on some other job.


Sheet metal union here. The lazy slobs in our trade couldn't find steady employment once they went through enough contractors. They wind up leaving the trade and looking for a new line of work. No protection. Union only gave us school, a good wage, and insurance. The rest is up to us. Kinda like the NFL. Only as good as your last day of work.


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Re: Union Poll [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6909458
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Originally Posted by Sprung&Rusty
Originally Posted by The Beav
To a point. I made really good money being in the pipe fitters union. But they protected the lazy SOBs that worked right along side of me. I normally ran jobs and I would have a lazy SOB on the job and I would lay him off. But the union would just send him out on some other job.


Sheet metal union here. The lazy slobs in our trade couldn't find steady employment once they went through enough contractors. They wind up leaving the trade and looking for a new line of work. No protection. Union only gave us school, a good wage, and insurance. The rest is up to us. Kinda like the NFL. Only as good as your last day of work.

Lol


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