Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
[Re: EdP]
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06/27/20 12:36 PM
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They were both wrong, but the cop is always going to win that. How was the driver wrong? There are rules and laws for both the police and citizen. The police work for us. As soon as the driver asked what he did wrong, the cop should have told him, regardless of not being handed I.D.
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Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
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06/27/20 12:56 PM
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He's one of those "hold my ,beer and watch this" types. May have his rights but clearly looking to escalate things ,imo Your correct about his rights. The rest you said is opinion, and rights trump opinion every time.
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Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
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06/27/20 01:15 PM
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What do you think the police unfairly did to you or your family to make you so bizarrely, anti-police? You very, very obviously have had bad personal experiences with the police.
Keith Not much he could comment on lately he was hurting to do some hating. LOL
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
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06/27/20 01:16 PM
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What do you think the police unfairly did to you or your family to make you so bizarrely, anti-police? You very, very obviously have had bad personal experiences with the police.
Keith We need police. Without them, there would be chaos. We also need the public to have trust in the police. This guy in the video caused loss of trust. That is not good. It happens to often and is why we have problems with law enforcement today.
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Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
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06/27/20 01:24 PM
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As much as I tend to be suspicious of police and their behavior, I think this cop did a good job. He should have identified himself and told the guy why he was being pulled over, but other than that, he was a pretty polite guy, and was really pretty gentle when he pulled that fat guyout of the vehicle. He could have been a lot more violent,but was hesitant to use his taser. The fat guy, on the other hand, was obnoxious. He was obviously just trying to agitate. I don't know where he thought name dropping and not getting out of the car was going to get him, except thrown in the back of a cruiser.
It was pretty funny how he tried to hand the cop his license once he realized he was going to get ripped out of the car.
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Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
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06/27/20 02:21 PM
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The driver, I think, set the whole situation up with his "full throttle" maneuver while he knew was in view of the cop. He had his camera ready, etc. That is conjecture on my part but also based on a number of observable factors.
No doubt in my mind that the cop should have given the reason for pulling the guy over. Instead he got his back up and allowed things to escalate. It was unprofessional conduct on his part to allow himself to get baited in that way. This cop, not necessarily a bad cop, showed poor judgement in allowing himself (and his cop ego) to get baited into an escalating situation by someone adept at doing just that using passive tactics.
The taser threat raises another question. In Atlanta a cop shot a man who fired a taser at him. Was the taser a lethal threat or not? If the taser is a lethal threat, is the cop in this instance justified in deploying a lethal threat against someone who is passivly noncomplying? I think the cop should have called for back-up instead of drawing his taser. A second car could have blocked the driver's truck from moving, thereby eliminating a source of danger. Use of the taser may be the deciding factor in the cop's continued employment.
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Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
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I think common courtesy would have gotten a much better outcome. Like I said, the long hair in the truck was pushing his buttons, and I don't like button pushers, and like Edp, I think he was out to bait the cop into something. Everyone nowdays wants to be a youtube star, but Everytime I have been pulled over, even by rude cops, they told me what the infraction was, and I believe that is only right.
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Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
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Driver was stupid and intentionally being an arse. Don't know what the laws are in his state about whether a cop as to identify himself or state the reason for the stop before you show ID. Doubt the law even covers that.
If the cop had some better negotiating skills, this could have ended much easier with less paperwork to fill out.
For some reason, the driver was trying to gain control by demanding that the cop state the reason for the stop first. Use that to your advantage. Driver wants the reason first and the cop wants cooperation. Make a trade. "Sir, will you agree to cooperate during the rest of this stop if I give you the reason for the stop first? The Driver gets to feel like he won a victory over the police (which is really what he wanted anyway) and the cop gets cooperation.
Cops meet a lot of jerks but there are a lot of videos out there of cops doing things the hard way.
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Re: We need good cops. This is not one.
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Today, everybody with a cellphone has a camera. The trooper had a choice: tell the guy why he was pulled over or not. He could have been instructive or not. He could have been human or not. He could have left the individual a recording of how a stop is turned into a win-win situation. Or not. The end result was a lose-lose outcome. The cop looks bad for not giving any explanation. The violator, if that’s what he is, has a video of the cops actions, and now viewers all over the country are seeing a heavy handed approach being used when a few words could have calmed the situation.
This, I’m afraid, is what’s fueling the Black lives/all lives matter demonstrations. People want to be treated fairly. Everyone wants to be treated innocently until proven guilty. We all want to know what we’re being stopped for. And it’s not too much to ask. It’s just my opinion, but I think the cop blew it here. And now the world has a recording of it.
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