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Re: Agent Orange [Re: Gary Benson] #6912638
06/27/20 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Blaming chemical manufacturers is as silly as blaming tobacco companies when people get sick from tobacco use, and blaming alcohol producers for alcoholism and drunk driving killing people. Money talks. But we'd better take Elmer Fudds' gun out of the cartoons. That's harmful.


Gary you didn’t get the memo a few years ago. Corporations are not in it for the money. They existed to kill their customers and that’s it. From Wendy’s and McDonald’s to Monsanto and Exxon they want us all dead. Lol


Everything the left touches it destroys
Re: Agent Orange [Re: pcr2] #6912650
06/27/20 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
now skeeter,we aint lookin for no trouble round here.


for the record...I include myself in this...got more than a couple pounds myself that I have to lose.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: white marlin] #6912746
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Drink nutrition drinks. And think the good Lord for friends like me to help you out of your crisis.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912775
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Originally Posted by nate
Drink nutrition drinks. And think the good Lord for friends like me to help you out of your crisis.


that, and stop eating so much...

so, if the coon drank nutrition drinks they wouldn't get fat in the Fall?

(better alert the bears...they'll be at an unhealthy weight soon...)

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Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912787
06/27/20 05:07 PM
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Been using Roundup at home and at our farm forever. One day I was spraying and looked back at my cattle dog puppy. She was licking it off the plants. God rest her soul, she passed sixteen years later.

Bayer owns Roundup now, not Monsanto.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912809
06/27/20 05:32 PM
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When I was in high school the whole class had to do a book report on Silent Spring by Rachel Carson. Since all reports were due at the same time all the mothers were running all over Southern Illinois and Indiana to all the book stores trying to find a copy. What a great way to sell books and ideas to fresh minds. We have face-book and you-tube for that now and the 6 o'clock news!

Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6913030
06/27/20 10:02 PM
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Getting a “Restricted use herbicide” registered for use is way beyond the manufacturer of the product. Look into it. I’ll trust the experts on this one. The labels are very sophisticated, but if followed correctly, pose no harm. I personally run the sprayer on our grain farm.

If every farmer had to cultivate the rows on the amount of acres we plant today, you greenies would complain about the emissions from those tractors having to run so much to keep the crops clean.

John

Re: Agent Orange [Re: white marlin] #6913068
06/27/20 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by nate
Fat people means no nutrition they are always hungry ...


no; lazy, SOB's eating all the time and not moving...THAT's what causes fat people.




Real simple for everyone. People can gain weight that work hard everyday . People in general unless they have an underlying medical condition gain weight for one simple reason, because they consume more calories than they burn off , it really is as simple as that not rocket science just that said people eat more calories than they burn.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: white17] #6913170
06/27/20 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by coydog2
Diggerman here is some links to check out for yourself .


https://www.periscopegroup.com/roundup/roundup-agent-orange






This is the only link of yours that I read. It contains factual errors that are...IMO....intended to mislead the reader.

Example:

"Agent Orange (named for the orange stripes that were painted on the barrels) was the strongest and most commonly used herbicide employed to destroy food crops and decimate forest cover. 13 million gallons of 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin, commonly called TCDD – a type of dioxin – was dumped onto Vietnam. The problem with dioxins is that they can last for years in the environment and have been known to cause cancer and birth defects."


That is NOT a true statement. About 13 million gallons of Agent Orange were used in VN but there were only trace amounts of dioxin contained in that 13 million gallons. Granted, the dioxin was sufficient to cause health problems....probably...but that doesn't excuse the author's shoddy...intentional ? ....scholarship

Also that author claims it was used on food crops. In VN that would be rice. The problem is that the chemical action of agent orange does not affect plants with a single cotyledon like rice and barley.


As I understand it there was a critical point in the process of 245T where it was heated to a certain temperature... Anything over a certain temperature (set in the parameters) would "scorch" the product and dioxin was the biporoduct of that overheating. Lots of batches were dioxin free and many were not. Apparently Dow knew about the problem but kept it to themselves.

Mike


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Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6913175
06/27/20 11:44 PM
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When you consume foods loaded with refined sugars and carbs your blood sugar spikes... Which triggers your pancreas to release insulin. Insulin converts the sugar into fat and stores it for your body to use "later" during lean times.

If you eat garbage your body converts it all into fat and stores it without receiving any nutritional value from what you just ate.

You are literally starving to death while getting fat. This is why you can eat junk and be hungry again in 30 minutes.I

Eat real food... Meat, whole fruits and vegetables. Throw the refined processed garbage out.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

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Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6913317
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Orange was a mixture of 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D (and some dioxin and some other inert ingredients). You could still purchase 2,4,5-T in Canada as of the the early 2000's. Don't know now. It was a defoliant in Nam to reduce the cover the VC used to conduct their military operations. Interesting to note OSHA and NIOSH did all kinds of studies on the people using it (Agent Orange) here in the states before and after NAM. County and highway maintenance workers who were spraying, spilling it, splashing it, wearing the same clothes for 2-3 days etc., etc., were exposed a lot more over longer periods than the GI's to Orange. Know what, every study showed the workers in the study had less health related affects than the GI's. The workers incidents of all those problems (cancer, Parkinson's, MS, etc.) were no higher than the general population percentages of the U.S.. War is H-LL and PTSD takes its toll of every GI who has ever been on a battle field. The human Psyche works on the physical systems of the human body and stress is handled in different ways. There are 2 sides to every story (now-a-days there may be a dozen) but before you take the easy "scapegoat" side,,, read all you can on the other side's view (Love Canal NY is a classic). Sensationalism is not near the truth most times as your Social (Garbage) Media would like you to believe (right Congressman!) ...... Qualify the source for a hidden agenda.................. the mike

Re: Agent Orange [Re: coydog2] #6913328
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The first article told you how different they were, It did say that, they "considered" Round up the agent orange of today.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: white marlin] #6913347
06/28/20 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by nate
Fat people means no nutrition they are always hungry ...


no; lazy's eating all the time and not moving...THAT's what causes fat people.


grin


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Re: Agent Orange [Re: JoMiBru] #6913375
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Originally Posted by JoMiBru
Getting a “Restricted use herbicide” registered for use is way beyond the manufacturer of the product. Look into it. I’ll trust the experts on this one. The labels are very sophisticated, but if followed correctly, pose no harm. I personally run the sprayer on our grain farm.

If every farmer had to cultivate the rows on the amount of acres we plant today, you greenies would complain about the emissions from those tractors having to run so much to keep the crops clean.

John

Naw Theyed want you cultivating with horses so they (Nate) could complain about the farting


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Re: Agent Orange [Re: jeff karsten] #6917700
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I didn't say anything about farting jeffy. Only hot air I have trouble with is liars. Enough of that B.S.

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