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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6915403
06/30/20 09:22 AM
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There was a story in the news last week about a guy in SW MT that got chewed up by a griz even while using bear spray. He saw the bear coming from 80 yards so would have had plenty of time to ventilate the bear

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6915439
06/30/20 10:00 AM
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I carry .44 caliber 265gr bear spray, haha!

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6915441
06/30/20 10:03 AM
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it seems like you should carry bear spray , an empty canister seems to be reasonable evidence you tried not to shoot it .


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6915465
06/30/20 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
it seems like you should carry bear spray , an empty canister seems to be reasonable evidence you tried not to shoot it .


Sounds like someone thinks ahead.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6915576
06/30/20 01:02 PM
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I have carried my Blackhawk 44 for a long time but I picked up a glock 20 in 10mm with shoulder rig and for trapping its been way easier to have it on the ready. When the family and I go into the mountains I still carry the 44 and the wife has my 10mm. We have one of the largest population of grizz in the lower 48 so it's not if you see them it's when. I shoot both quite a bit so I am comfortable with them. If you can't hit what you want they are useless. I also carry my M1 Garand when rifle hunting or on my shoulder when riding the sled.


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Theodore Roosevelt

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: warrior] #6915623
06/30/20 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by walleyed

Yeah upstart,

But what about the vaunted Ithaca Model 37 12 gauge ?

What say you about that ?

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I'd say that's the best pump gun JMB ever designed.

I love my 37, and you can slam fire it if you want to! However ,no experience, but I believe I'd take my Ruger 1911 10mm
Dennis


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6915624
06/30/20 01:33 PM
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If I'm hunting I carry a Ruger Bisly in 45 colt with 280 gr WFN cast bullets or I my FA 454 with the same bullet.

I prefer to carry an auto when I'm fishing and camping. I carry a 1911 in 45 acp. Like warrior said a 45 super or 460 Roland would be better IMO. My 1911 with soon be converted to the 460


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6915731
06/30/20 02:45 PM
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Look at the YouTube videos of glocks blowing up when shooting bear load 10mm. Part of the case isn't even in the barrel when it goes off. I use a Ruger Super Redhawk in .44 Magnum with 340 grain Buffalo Bore.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6915759
06/30/20 03:07 PM
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454.

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Leftlane] #6916021
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
To me- use enough gun is applicable sooo many times LOL.

There are lots of options anymore. Everyone wants a little .380 they can carry wearing skinny jeans but they are making some well crafted big bore handguns that wont break the bank IMO anyway





any dude wearing skinny jeans probably has a rainbow sticker on the back of his priusÖ.

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916123
06/30/20 09:15 PM
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I think too much emphasis gets put on having a special extra hot load for bear.

these tend to be expensive and it is unlikely they get practiced with as much as they should.


the same point gets made about people who buy "precious" self defense ammo if it is very expensive they tend not to run much of it in the gun maybe shoot a magazine then declare it works well.

some have no idea where it hits , they may have purchased it years ago but it is too precious to use especially in regular practice so they know where their target ammo hits but the ammo they need to know where it hits may be considerably different

if 9mm , 40S&W, 10mm , 45acp , 38spl , 44mag ,41 mag have all successfully been used with good shot placement , a good but not too precious self defense load that you can practice with makes more sense than some very over priced over pressure bear round.


looking at the load data 10mm only makes a gain of about 200 fps and gets an additional inch of barrel in the test data whichever you shoot better and can practice with more is likely the better choice.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916156
06/30/20 09:38 PM
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I don't carry a gun and my yard is in grizzly and black bear country. Guns are heavy and annoying and so far, never needed.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916184
06/30/20 10:12 PM
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As already stated, if you canít hit with it, itís worthless. Get something with plenty of capacity. Having a small lightweight gun is nice but they donít typically score well in high stress situations. Something that has a large capacity magazine will do far better. I prefer a 357 mag if odds are low but if the odds are high (elk country) Iíll opt for my 9mm. 18 rounds to get it done. Thereís not a bear on this planet that will take that and walk away. Iím sure others will state otherwise but opinions will abound regardless the situation.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916216
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I skinned a large black bear a guy shot with a rifle and than a 44 mag to finish it off. The 44 mag bullet was stuck to the skull. There was just enough meat between the hide and skull the bullet was just under the hide. It did not crack the skull, but was stuck on pretty good. It knocked the bear down, but I think he killed it when he gutted it. I think it just knocked him out. I have little faith in a hand gun when it comes to bears. It may be better than nothing, but to me that's about it. The noise it makes I would guess, has as much affect as the bullet. I would take a shotgun over a handgun any day. I never understood why someone would choose the gun with the least knock down to save their life. With that said I grew up in MT backpacking in, sleeping on the ground elk hunting and live four years in AK and I agree with Dirt.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Dirt] #6916232
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I don't carry a gun and my yard is in grizzly and black bear country. Guns are heavy and annoying and so far, never needed.


I think Timothy Treadwell had the same thoughts...

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: midlander] #6916234
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Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by Dirt
I don't carry a gun and my yard is in grizzly and black bear country. Guns are heavy and annoying and so far, never needed.


I think Timothy Treadwell had the same thoughts...



Well- he isnt wrong folks


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: midlander] #6916238
06/30/20 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by Dirt
I don't carry a gun and my yard is in grizzly and black bear country. Guns are heavy and annoying and so far, never needed.


I think Timothy Treadwell had the same thoughts...


Yeah, I usually don't camp on bear trails. Good chance one will walk through your tent. Only did this a few times when I was bear hunting.

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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916254
06/30/20 11:13 PM
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No griz here,just blacks.
I spend way more time in the bush without a gun than with one.
Most of the time a gun is just excess cargo,thats not needed.

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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6916256
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I was planning on getting a gun for possible bear encounters but have no Western tags this year so I'll procrastinate on getting it. Probably going to go with a 10 mm Glock or a Ruger super red hawk in 454 casul, leaning heavy towards the Glock for ease of carry.


I have a 6" 629 Smith and a model 20 Glock. From what I hear a lot of guides are starting to carry the Glock 10 mm.

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Outlaw99] #6916266
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Originally Posted by Outlaw99
For western hunts, I either carry my Smith 329 in .44, or my Glock 20 in 10mm. I’m comfortable and extremely proficient with either. Different guns for different situations. Gotta find what’s right for you. I will say that both my Glock and Smith are modified to tritium night sights. Gotta be able to see what your shooting at in all conditions.


The 329 Smith is on my wish list.

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