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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916277
06/30/20 11:36 PM
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i remember being at king salmon in the 1980's, ran into some bear biologist at the local watering hole.i was carring a super blackhawk in .44 mag. he told me to shoot the bear 5 times , but save no.6 for me since i only mad him mad the first 5 times.he also said he never seen a grizzly killed with a handgun, lots shot with them but finnished by a backup rifle.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Dirt] #6916429
07/01/20 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I don't carry a gun and my yard is in grizzly and black bear country. Guns are heavy and annoying and so far, never needed.

Id rather be looking AT my gun than looking FOR it.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: warrior] #6916446
07/01/20 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by walleyed

Yeah upstart,

But what about the vaunted Ithaca Model 37 12 gauge ?

What say you about that ?

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I'd say that's the best pump gun JMB ever designed.


I love my 37 Home Defender. It will slam fire and run out all 8 rounds super fast...…...If you can hang onto it!

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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916650
07/01/20 12:00 PM
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I have a smith 44 mag and I bought ammo called Buffalo shells, They are suppose to be top of the line for bears. I lived in Wyoming for 8 years and hunted in Grizz country. I don't pack it when rifle hunting but I do carry bear spray, Bow hunting I carry both. I did have a run in with a grizz at 25 yards, too far for the bear spray but not the 44 mag. Luckily he left and so did I

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: minklessinpa] #6916709
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Originally Posted by minklessinpa
i remember being at king salmon in the 1980's, ran into some bear biologist at the local watering hole.i was carring a super blackhawk in .44 mag. he told me to shoot the bear 5 times , but save no.6 for me since i only mad him mad the first 5 times.he also said he never seen a grizzly killed with a handgun, lots shot with them but finnished by a backup rifle.


Probably the same King Salmon, AK bear biologist
that liked to tell local fishing guides to file the Iron sights
off of their "bear pistols" so they wouldn't hurt so much
when the bear shoved the pistol up their arses !!

That guy was a tool.

Were you at Eddie's Fireplace Inn, or the KingKo,
or the Red Dog Saloon in Naknek ?

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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916742
07/01/20 01:42 PM
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Was not a grizzly but my 454 Redhawk revolver saved me once back years ago in tight quarters in the Laurel thickets of Virginia when a 350 pound black bear came for me while I was trying to save a hound it had pinned.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916841
07/01/20 03:29 PM
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Lived in Alaska for about two decades shot several bears. 44 magnum rolls over black bears fine. I've witnessed another person shoot a BROWN BEAR (Coastal Grizzly that is salmon fed) with a 44 and the round ricocheted of his skull. When you hunt Brown bear the perfect shot is a side shot and too shot it through both shoulders or at least one. This drops the bear so you can shot him again if needed. If you only break one shoulder he will hit the ground and start spinning in place. If you break both shoulders he just can't get up. Use a solid or very tough bullet that penetrates. A shotgun ain't going to get it in my opinion. A pistol may work sometimes but for me it just gives you a false sense of security. Had a buddy shoot a Brown bear and did not hit the shoulder it circled back on its own trail and bit him bad as he followed the blood trail his dad shot the bear and saved his life. Brown bears fight back they are no joke. Enough Gun!


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916865
07/01/20 04:02 PM
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Shooting into shoulder bones is a poor shot in my opinion.
A neck shot is good,or just behind the elbow if side or quartering away..

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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Boco] #6916891
07/01/20 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Shooting into shoulder bones is a poor shot in my opinion.
A neck shot is good,or just behind the elbow if side or quartering away..

that is thinking a bit like a hunter explaining why you shot a leaving bear might land you in hot water.

if your defending yourself chances are good the bear is coming at you the question is on 2 legs or 4 , given the descriptions of successful bear defense with a handgun , it sounds like often on 2 and the shots were fired relatively close and into the lungs through the ribs

it could also be on 4 and would make a harder shot , head , neck and back if head is down.

if a shotgun , slugs work well on black bears 1oz lead maybe a griz is different but I doubt it , they are not long range tools but 1 oz rifled slugs are 3000fpe in close boring a .72 inch entry and can expand to more , and have good penetration close .

I think there is a saying if you knew you were going into a gun fight you wouldn't go , if you did you would bring backup and rifles.

if you knew you were going to get attacked by a bear you would bring backup and rifles or shotguns with slugs.

but you are there to fish or hike or hunt something other than bear.

bears spray good and hopefully you don't even need that if you do you have it and use it and likely that is enough.

handgun not bad backup to bear spray much easier to carry than a long gun

another saying , your handgun is a tool to fight your way to your rifle well if you happen to have a long gun but it is strapped to your pack or you set it down to cook , setup a tent or some other task.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916928
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i was in eddies fireside inn. i'm thinking his name was ron bullok.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6916947
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I’ve opted for fat and slow. Super Blackhawk bisley in 480 ruger. 412gr hard cast lead at 1150fps. Fairly mild recoil for such a large chunk of lead.

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6917044
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Now days I carry bear spray, Glock 10mm, and a German Shepard. Ive never shot a bear with a handgun, but I squirted 2 grizz with bear spray at close range. The spray definitely bought me time and distance. If you rely on bear spray, bring several canisters. I traded a 44mag for the 10mm because the 44mag was heavy and inconvenient to carry, and hard to get off effective follow on shots. The 10mm is an improvement in those ways. I have also carried a 12ga with Brenneke slugs, and a Win Mod 94 30/30 at times. Now if I can just train the German Shepard to carry and shoot the 10mm, I'll have a lighter load.

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6917115
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Nothing succeeds like excess. When I had my ffl one of my whole sale suppliers ran a special on the S&W X frames. I had already shot a friends 460 EVR and 500 MAG. Sooo at $889 for the performance center 500 mag
I called the supply house and said ya ain’t got it here yet? I haven’t even pointed it at a bear, but that was it’s secondary purpose. I enjoy handguns with serious horsepower, I don’t enjoy pistols that hurt my hands. The 454 falls into the second category. I load 385 Remington corelocts to a little over 1700 FPS. Although I haven’t had to shoot a bear with it I did shoot a 5x5 bull elk. The bullet entered about 9” behind the right ear as he was quartering toward me, pulverized about 7” of his neck vertebrae and stopped under the hide just in front of the left shoulder. Total penetration was about 20”. Needless to say he dropped at the shot. I shot that pistol a lot when I first got it and could routinely vapoize small water bottles @ 50yrds. If I was doing the arrow fling thing for elk up around green river lakes or sunlight basin it would be on me during the day and in my bed roll at night.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6917376
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Boco respect your opinion, don't know the size of the bears your shooting but know your a man in the woods and what you are doing works.. GP have you shot a Grizzly Bear? I spoke of coastal Alaskan bears. As they are my only experience. I have shot lets say several coastal Alaskan bears. The difference between a Wisconsin black bear and coastal bear is about 700 pounds. Kodiak Island bears can get up to 1500 pounds and Southeast bears can get up to 1100 pounds. Yes I carried a handgun. Most of the gun shops in Alaska have reloaded 44 mag cartridges for sale with solid projectiles. This is for penetration. Lets say an average bear is 800 pounds. A lead projectile is not the answer. If it hits bone it will flatten out. The gentleman who said he uses brenneke slugs I agree with this as far as shotguns the Brenneke has tin added to make it harder which helps it to not flatten out. So If I was using a weapon to kill a coastal Alaskan bear I would use a projectile that would penetrate! I don't tlk about things I have not done this is just my experience and what the people in my area do. Do you understand 1000 pounds.

I have shot bears from other angles than 90 degrees and it worked.


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Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6917469
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I have been eyeing a Ruger 44 Alaskan that I can pickup new for about $900. I guess it is made for the serious bear loads and I do not have an Alaskan. Yet.

Re: Grizz country sidearms [Re: Mr. Ed] #6918750
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Anybody read about Phil Shoemaker killing a coastal grizzly at under 10 yards with a 9 m/m?
Interesting story from an experienced bear guide. I'm guessing he went back to a heavier gun afterwards.

https://www.americanhunter.org/arti...men-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/


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