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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: KeithC] #6915529
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"Good quality"people dont breed enough.Too many kids are a hindrance to their habit of hoarding wealth.
Thats why low quality people are desireable to the system-they breed a lot and consume a lot.

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6915542
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One Man’s Supreme Court
The Chief Justice relies on an abortion precedent he dissented from.



June 29, 2020 7:19 pm ET




So much for all those crocodile fears about the end of abortion rights. The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 Monday that a state can’t even require abortion providers to have admitting privileges at a hospital. And the logic of the concurring opinion from Chief Justice John Roberts, who provided the fifth vote, suggests not even de minimis regulation of abortion will survive his Court’s scrutiny.

A woman’s right to abortion wasn’t at issue in June Medical Services v. Russo. No woman seeking an abortion was a plaintiff. The case was brought by abortion providers, who claimed that Louisiana’s requirement that they have admitting privileges at a hospital would be an undue burden on the ability of women to obtain an abortion.


Here’s the stunner: Four years ago a different Court majority overturned a similar Texas statute, with then Justice Anthony Kennedy joining the four liberals. Chief Justice Roberts dissented in that case. Yet on Monday the Chief joined the liberals, citing his duty to follow precedent.

“The legal doctrine of stare decisis requires us, absent special circumstances, to treat like cases alike,” writes the Chief. “The Louisiana law imposes a burden on access to abortion just as severe as that imposed by the Texas law, for the same reasons. Therefore Louisiana’s law cannot stand under our precedents.”

Except it isn’t that simple, as the four dissenters point out. When the Chief dissented in that Texas case, Whole Woman’s Health, the majority used a balancing test he rejected. The Chief writes in Russo that he still rejects that balancing test. But this time his explanation is that the Louisiana law is an undue burden on abortion under the Court’s Casey precedent.

In other words, the case he relies on as a precedent that he says can’t be broken was wrongly decided. But the Chief has come up with another legal justification for getting to the result the liberals want. Have precedent, will travel. Any one will do.

As the dissenters point out, the Chief also ignores the Court’s recent precedents on standing law, or the ability to show harm. The Court’s precedents require that a plaintiff have an injury due to the law or regulation at hand. The Court does not easily accept “third-party standing” claims suing on someone else’s behalf.

In this case, the abortion providers aren’t hurt because there is no constitutional right to perform an abortion and Louisiana requires admitting privileges for many other medical procedures (Lasik eye surgery, etc.) in case something goes wrong. As Justice Neil Gorsuch points out in his stinging dissent, at least one major hospital in Louisiana eased its admitting rules for abortion providers after the law passed. Yet the Chief blows past the Court’s “third-party” standard when abortion is the issue.

The implications for abortion law seem clear enough. No challenge to the Court’s abortion precedents will succeed with the nine current Justices. Democrats and the left will continue to blow smoke about the imminent demise of Roe v. Wade, as Joe Biden did Monday. But even incremental regulation that tinkers around the edges of abortion law may fail.

We said Roe v. Wade was safe during the confirmation fight over Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and many on the left and right sneered. Sorry, folks, were you watching the Chief? These columns going back decades have supported abortion rights, within boundaries, but it is a political question to be decided democratically. Roe has poisoned so much of American political life, and politicized the judiciary in the process, by removing abortion from legislative debate.

Russo continues a dismaying string of rulings by the Chief Justice—less due to their result than their reasoning. He seems to think he has to protect the Court from Democratic threats to undermine its legitimacy. But in the process he is resorting to logic that looks designed to achieve political results.

On ObamaCare, he defined the insurance mandate as a tax. On the Census, he said the government’s logic was “pretextual.” On immigration this month, he said an Obama order was illegal but he overturned President Trump’s repeal order on procedural grounds. Now he relies on an abortion precedent he dissented from by rewriting that precedent.

All of these look like a Justice searching for a legal port, any port, to justify his rulings in a political storm. This will further draw the Court into politics and do even more long-term harm to the judiciary.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-mans-supreme-court-11593472794?mod=opinion_lead_pos1


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: KeithC] #6915763
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by Boco
Then how could the economy continue to grow?You need more and more people consuming goods for the economy(stock market) to continue to grow in perpetuity.
That is why western governments with inadequate reproductive rates import masses from 3'rd world countries.

Stupid system,isn't it.


They also bring third world people because they are less intelligent and easy to control.

Keith


Spoken like an avowed white supremacist, Keith.

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6915767
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All abortion should be illegal.


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: Jarhead620] #6915778
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Spoken like an avowed white supremacist, Keith. [/quote]
The white supremacists are the ones bringing them here.


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6915799
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Originally Posted by Boco
Then how could the economy continue to grow?You need more and more people consuming goods for the economy(stock market) to continue to grow in perpetuity.
That is why western governments with inadequate reproductive rates import masses from 3'rd world countries.

Stupid system,isn't it.


Originally Posted by Jarhead620
Originally Posted by KeithC
They also bring third world people because they are less intelligent and easy to control.

Keith


Spoken like an avowed white supremacist, Keith.


That makes no sense because there is a heck of a lot of Caucasian also known as white, third world countries. You are the obvious racist for only believing non whites live in third world countries.

Keith

Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: marathonman] #6915805
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Originally Posted by marathonman
Roberts is turning into a liberal


He always was.


I don't care how nice the hand soap smells, you should never walk out of the restroom sniffing your fingers.
Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6915936
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You guys actually thought a conservative judge means he would always support conservative policies? Funny!

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6915962
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"…Judges and Justices are servants of the law, not the other way around. Judges are like umpires. Umpires don’t make the rules, they apply them. "

John Roberts


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6915968
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Dirt, those are the words of a conservative judge.

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: Dirt] #6915980
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"…Judges and Justices are servants of the law, not the other way around. Judges are like umpires. Umpires don’t make the rules, they apply them. " John Roberts


he forgot to add the obvious: 'according to their own inherent biases'...

and let us not fool ourselves...BOTH sides try to appoint "Justices" that will lean their way. only difference is: the Left is MUCH better at doing so!

Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6915982
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Good thing he wasn't under oath when he lied to the Senate.


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6915989
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Maybe abortions should be mandatory for Democrats. Surely they'd be okay with that.


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6916010
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Originally Posted by James
You guys actually thought a conservative judge means he would always support conservative policies? Funny!

Jim



why do Liberal Justices NEVER support conservative principles?

if they were "straight up" even-handed, you would expect their decisions to be roughly 50/50.

Yes?

but, that is NEVER the case. (I CHALLENGE you to find even ONE example of a liberal Justice taking a conservative view of ANY issue!)

[this is one of 'those" posts that James will ignore...inconvenient, as it is]

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6916068
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Not even going to go through this post, but John Roberts for treason!


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: Scout1] #6916072
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Originally Posted by Scout1
Not even going to go through this post, but John Roberts for treason!

I need to apologize to John Roberts, George W. Bush for treason for appointing Roberts!


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6916460
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What was the makeup (conservative vs liberal) of the Supreme Court when Roe v Wade was passed? The vote was 7-2...

Hmmm. How many "conservatives" will be needed on the court to overturn it?

This is why I don't place my faith and trust in man to do the right thing.

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: Gary Benson] #6916550
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
How bout the Gubmint give 18 yr old ho's $10000 cash in exchange for getting their tubes tied? Think of the money that would save taxpayers. (and the burdensome thing as well)

I’ll get my balls cut off for 10k jet ski and new traps here I come.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: James] #6916560
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Mason I think you are basically making Gary's point for him (but that's none of my biz. *sips more tea*)


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana abortion law [Re: bowhunter27295] #6916572
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
From the way Roberts talked before and while being confirmed to the way he switched his "principles", I do wonder what person or persons has the goods on him.

A judge doesn't flip like that after decades of being the opposite for no reason.

His votes, action and logic do not pass the smell test.


My thoughts too. Or he has the very common TDS that's inflicted alot of people.

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