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My condolences Colorado. #6916852
07/01/20 03:45 PM
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https://amp.coloradoan.com/amp/5349078002

If thats not horrible I don't know what is.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916853
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that's worse than coonman's truck.









Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916855
07/01/20 03:51 PM
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Sounds good to me.I hunt fish and trap.

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916858
07/01/20 03:54 PM
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I think states are trying to find ways to get money from other outdoor people. Sounds reasonable to charge those who never get charged (Birders, hikers, etc.)

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916859
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It looks like if you already have a hunting licence your good.it seems to be aimed at making the hikers,birdwatchers and other tree hugger types buy a hunting licence also.
I would back that up here.Seems like everyone besides hunters and fishermen get a free ride and benefit from wildlife management paid for by hunters,trappers and fishermen(consumptive users)
I say its about time the others chipped in too.

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916863
07/01/20 04:00 PM
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Colorado has gone to pot!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916866
07/01/20 04:04 PM
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I would recon the alternative is something akin to a Wisconsin Parks sticker 25 dollars and you have to have it on each vehicle you bring into the park. your 2nd and 3rd vehicles are 12 dollars. state trails require a trail pass or atv , utv , or sowmobile registration.

it costs something to upkeep these parks , no one wants it on the general tax bill , so a use fee of some sort makes sense.

this actually makes a lot more sense than a simple use fee , parks sticker or trail pass. because in most states in order to hold a hunting or fishing license you can't be delinquent on child support.

if you don't do something to limit use and pay for enforcement every park turns into a defacto dog park , with all the hipsters and such in CO more than 3/4 of the people using those parks were likely doing so without paying anything into the parks maintenance.

as a hunter or fisherman I would be upset I was the only one footing the bill for a park and had to contend with a hundred ski boats buzzing my boat while fishing . I would venture that people used the free lake access to avoid city or county launches that charge a fee to launch.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Boco] #6916869
07/01/20 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
It looks like if you already have a hunting licence your good.it seems to be aimed at making the hikers,birdwatchers and other tree hugger types buy a hunting licence also.
I would back that up here.Seems like everyone besides hunters and fishermen get a free ride and benefit from wildlife management paid for by hunters,trappers and fishermen(consumptive users)
I say its about time the others chipped in too.



I am all for this wish more states would do this type of thing,

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916870
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Our Pennsylvania Game Commission has been trying to do the same thing for the last five or six years; to get non-hunters/trappers to pay a fee to access our 1.5 million acres of State Game Lands. So far as I know they have not yet been able to get that rule through the state legislature. They did limit access for horseback riders and bikers. They are not permitted on SGL's (except on Sundays or on roads open to public travel) from the last Saturday in September thru the third Saturday in January, and before 1 p.m. from the second Saturday in April thru the last Saturday in May.


Eh...wot?

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Boco] #6916877
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Why is that horrible again? I think it should have always been required to have a state hunting or fishing license, to use the state lands purchased and managed with hunting or fishing license money, since there is usually no general tax money used for it. I think that should also apply in my own state.

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Boco] #6916878
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Originally Posted by Boco
It looks like if you already have a hunting licence your good.it seems to be aimed at making the hikers,birdwatchers and other tree hugger types buy a hunting licence also.
I would back that up here.Seems like everyone besides hunters and fishermen get a free ride and benefit from wildlife management paid for by hunters,trappers and fishermen(consumptive users)
I say its about time the others chipped in too.


I think thatís great. I canít imagine any hunter or fisherman being against that. If the noncomsumptive users want to do their thing, then they can help pay for it just like we do.

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Boco] #6916879
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Originally Posted by Boco
It looks like if you already have a hunting licence your good.it seems to be aimed at making the hikers,birdwatchers and other tree hugger types buy a hunting licence also.
I would back that up here.Seems like everyone besides hunters and fishermen get a free ride and benefit from wildlife management paid for by hunters,trappers and fishermen(consumptive users)
I say its about time the others chipped in too.



Same way I feel about it.

Those lands are most likely leased and maintained by revenue from hunting licenses

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916887
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Didn't you already pay for this land through your taxes?


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916896
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I think the rub comes as these free users begin to feel like it's their park since they will now be paying for the land management and so will begin to demand changes in the consumptive use rules. If they have no skin in the game they can't be bothered to petition for changes. Once its "theirs" they may change their minds and become more vocal.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916897
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My first thought is it's good for anyone using state land to have to pay but we're talking about. COLORADO

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916899
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Don't sound bad to me.

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: maintenanceguy] #6916900
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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Didn't you already pay for this land through your taxes?



in 1803 at a cost of about 4 cents an acre 15 million dollars

it makes tree huggers and anti's buy a hunting or fishing license

that drives up the number of hunting licenses making it look like the whole state hunts that makes hunting look more popular than it is making the anti movement look bad.

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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916901
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It's Colorados way of raiding the federal Pittman/Robinson and the Dingell/ Johnson funds, which are partly determined buy how many hunting and fishing licenses are sold within each state.

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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: teepee2] #6916905
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Originally Posted by teepee2
It's Colorados way of raiding the Pittman/Robinson and the Dingell/ Johnson funds, which are partly determined buy how many hunting and fishing licenses are sold within each state.

that also some double edge


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916913
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If you read through the article it's actually a good thing. It's not state parks they're talking about, it's wildlife areas. Those state wildlife areas were set aside for hunting and fishing but are being used by all other recreational type of people without them having to support those lands. They need revenue to keep those places up and with more people using them it means more up keep.

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