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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Trap Setter] #6916915
07/01/20 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
I think the rub comes as these free users begin to feel like it's their park since they will now be paying for the land management and so will begin to demand changes in the consumptive use rules. If they have no skin in the game they can't be bothered to petition for changes. Once its "theirs" they may change their minds and become more vocal.


But, it will be used ONLY by "hunters and fishermen", because only licensed hunters and fishermen will be using it. And when it also uses the federal aid from PR and DJ Acts in the purchase or management, then the state wildlife agency HAS to abide by those PR and DJ federal aid rules, which are for use only in hunting and fishing management and habitat (and shooting ranges). This really limits what the state fish and hunt license money and federal aid money can be spent on. These federal rules really benefit the hunting/fishing use, and can't be used for horse trails, hiking trails, etc.

I think it will help keep the management directed toward fishing and hunting, and not other uses.

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Law Dog] #6916918
07/01/20 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Colorado has gone to pot!

Whether we like it or not..


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916920
07/01/20 04:57 PM
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Colorado has the best elk population in the states, which brings in YUGE money from nonresidents. Wait til Colo gets guns outlawed.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916926
07/01/20 05:02 PM
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What is the downside?


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: run] #6916933
07/01/20 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by run
What is the downside?

None I can see.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Swifty] #6916953
07/01/20 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Swifty
Why is that horrible again? I think it should have always been required to have a state hunting or fishing license, to use the state lands purchased and managed with hunting or fishing license money, since there is usually no general tax money used for it. I think that should also apply in my own state.



Well I can agree with the opinion that all who use it need to chip in. I don't think this is the answer. No point buying a hunting license you may never use. Or a fishing license or trapping license. My other reservation and you may correct me if you wish. But I don't believe much of the revenue generated from the law will actually be used to enforce or better the area. I will gladly eat my words. In all honesty my answer to any and all complaints about the area care or the safety of my pets would be thus( " sir do you actively take part in state managed activities?) If answer is yes and you produce evidence of such (license or permit) then you have a vote. If not then your opinion is meaningless. You have to register to vote on any other form of policy in this country. Other wise you may just exist and enjoy the view. You know what an out of state hunting license costs in Colorado?

More than I can currently afford.( I don't visit the state to see Denver. )Puplic land is meant to traveled and Cared for. Too bad we have so many idiots that this was apparently justified to do.

Last edited by Steelflight; 07/01/20 05:27 PM. Reason: Spelling

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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916958
07/01/20 05:34 PM
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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916959
07/01/20 05:34 PM
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CO dept of Wildlife doesn't need more money. An out of state elk tag was 750 bucks last I knew. Its time to change the name to New California.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916960
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Great bout time the other people that use lands we pay via hunting fishing lic pay up also.... example jet ski, pleasure craft tearing up waterways without any $$$ to waters.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Trap Setter] #6916963
07/01/20 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
I think the rub comes as these free users begin to feel like it's their park since they will now be paying for the land management and so will begin to demand changes in the consumptive use rules. If they have no skin in the game they can't be bothered to petition for changes. Once its "theirs" they may change their minds and become more vocal.



Yep, that worries me too.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916965
07/01/20 05:37 PM
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In NE we are required to have a Habitat Stamp along with hunting permit and a State Park permit if you enter a campground. Also an Aquatic habitat stamp along with a fishing permit. It's pretty well covered.

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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6916968
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I use to hunt geese just south of berthoud when i was in high school. If you havent seen the goose migration along the front range your missing a real natural wonder. Anyway there is a section of state land just south of the town of berthoud. back then that was all farms and grain not houses. I didnt even use a blind. No idea if that section still exists or if you can hunt it.

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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Law Dog] #6916978
07/01/20 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Colorado has gone to pot!


I see what you did there...


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Bruce T] #6917037
07/01/20 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Sounds good to me.I hunt fish and trap.

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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6917043
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The point I was trying to make, is everybody in the country that buys guns, ammo, hunting equipment, boats and fishing gear are paying to maintain Colorados wildlife lands. They are inflating their hunters and fishermen. The states get money from the feds according to how many licenses they sell. Hence less money to states that don't cook their books. This is not a small chunk of money ether well over 1 billion dollars.

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: silkyplainscoyot] #6917055
07/01/20 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by silkyplainscoyot
If you read through the article it's actually a good thing. It's not state parks they're talking about, it's wildlife areas. Those state wildlife areas were set aside for hunting and fishing but are being used by all other recreational type of people without them having to support those lands. They need revenue to keep those places up and with more people using them it means more up keep.



Yes but with all the people using the land it's impossible to hunt safely. Now there will be just as many people. The state will have their money but the hunter/fisherman will loose out.






Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6917072
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The sad part about Colorado is now well over 80% of the outdoor use in Colorado is non-hunting and fishing. I'm glad those aholes need to pay, now. The antis have been enjoying sportsman paid for outdoors services long enough.


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Green Bay] #6917079
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Originally Posted by Green Bay
I think states are trying to find ways to get money from other outdoor people. Sounds reasonable to charge those who never get charged (Birders, hikers, etc.)


All well and good until time to set seasons and bag limits. Guess who is now a paid stake holder?


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Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: Steelflight] #6917475
07/02/20 12:56 AM
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I would not have a problem with that. Here in NYS hunters, fisherman, trappers and snowmobilers foot the bills. Parks & Recreation taxes pay for the hikers. Hikers get parking lots and up keep. Also hikers go off trail,get lost or hurt and DEC and helicopters go in to assist. Its about time hikers and day users start paying their share of the bill.

Re: My condolences Colorado. [Re: warrior] #6917476
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Green Bay
I think states are trying to find ways to get money from other outdoor people. Sounds reasonable to charge those who never get charged (Birders, hikers, etc.)


All well and good until time to set seasons and bag limits. Guess who is now a paid stake holder?


At least out west they already have a say and if they don't like the answer they demand it gets voted on by people that have no clue what wild life conservation means

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