I have two relatives that work for the two biggest hospital chains in Michigan. Both have said that while Covid is out there it is nothing like the media and certain politicians are portraying it. The ICU beds and ventilators are at normal capacity as compared to previous years. Both systems test and admit Covid patients (necessary or not) because that is where the money is currently being dumped. They both said that many of the normal staff were furloughed for months and are just now starting to be called back selectively.

I'm now wondering what the case/mortality rate of Covid really is. Less than 1%?
If as many people as they say are coming down with it yet the death rate is not climbing at pace does that not mean that the case/mortality rate is decreasing?
If the death rate does not increase why would we not go for herd immunity?
How many people died with Covid as opposed to having died from Covid?

On the McDonald's drive through thing, it's funny they worry about masks for Covid yet serve food that is high in fat and cholesterol which contributes to almost 900,000 heart attack and stroke victims per year.

Just heard a show that had four hospital CEO's from the Houston area on, they said that the news was reporting their ICU beds at 90% due to Covid. All four CEO's stated that while they are around 90% of ICU beds in use that is the same as they are every year. I suppose it would not be fiscally responsible for them to build a hospital and not have patients in it. ICU beds and ventilators are not just for Covid patients.

Duckie1 there's really no sense in talking sense to those that are stuck within their psychosis....

don't be sharing any of that truth Art.... you'll wreak a perfectly good mask... some people need to do a bit of research, the media isn't telling you the truth..and if my statement inflames you.. you are deep into a psychosis episode. my opinion of course..

Back during the Romney / Obama Presidential race I PMed a member on here
and I told him how crooked , biased and unbelievable the media was in my opinion ,
he told me I needed a tin foil hat . That didn't age well for him .

Went through the same McDonald’s drive-through this morning and didn’t wear my mask. Out of the four or five other folks in the drive-through I did see one guy with a mask on top of his head that lowered it when he got to the pick up window.

The same kid served me my coffee but didn’t say anything about me not having a mask on. I’m guessing customers complained about his attitude to either corporate or management and he was told to knock it off. And no, he didn’t spit in my coffee, I watched him make it.

i just talked to a 34 in northern and he didn't mind me not havin a mask.even let me get closer than 6 ft.

You only think I didn't spit in it...

lugnut my limit is once a year at mc d's. your a tough man to eat that stuff

Hutch's revenge,there was 6 viagra waitin for you to show up in the bottom of that cup he poured.good luck workin with a kickstand all day.

While I don’t think cussing at him was necessarily helpful, I have been bad to lose my temper often as well. These people need a dose of reality. That’s the problem, the left has lived in their safe spaces and fictional worlds for so long that they can’t differentiate between it and reality. I told my wife who is a Doctor, that under no circumstance would I be following government direction for my family or my well being. She asked why and my exact words were “Government can’t get it right”. I made a living contracting from the government and know first hand how horribly mismanaged our money is and how not one time have they ever made a correct business deal or decision.
Since we shut our business down, every single prediction I have made has come to fruition exactly as I said it would. She asked me, “How in the world could you have known that?” It’s real simple. The Government cant get it right! What they say or urge you to do, you can almost 180 and be closer to the truth or answer. It was that way when I made a living off them and it’s that way now 15 years later. We finally decided to use that to our advantage and saved our county 5 million dollars over 3 years and we cut the government out as the middle man. Now we are prosperous and our county has a much better budget and we have surrounding counties begging for contract work. Moral of the story, I’ve never seen government be correct! Not once in 20 years. I certainly wouldn’t allow them to make decisions about my family’s health. Tin foil hats is a cop out by people who are oblivious or have never worked for or around it! And there are thousands of oblivious people because if they saw how their tax dollars were used many of them would be outraged!

This same government that does not recognize something as simple as, 'a human in the womb is a human' is passing out medical advice. Right.......

I don't remember people spitting on each other much before the mask craze. Musta missed it, I guess.

When we had regular flu epidemics sick people went to work went shopping and went to parties visited hospitals and nursing homes
If this wouldnt have been a media/paid to shut down and stay home political frenzy would you have of your own free will be wearing masks

So all you tin foil believers do not think a cloth covering over your mouth will block water vapor and or lessen the distance it will travel? Another test; go into a walk in freezer and breath through your mouth, or talk, or shout without a mask. Can you see how far your water vapor travels? Now try it with a mask. Compare!

Luckily I make this test every winter so I don't need a warmer freezer for the test.

I agree totally that we live in an idiocracy, but fact is fact.

I haven't eaten McDonald's food in years Danny. i like it but it doesn't like me.

i just really like their coffee. This one in particular makes good coffee and it's on my way to Allentown where I do a lot of work.

I'm not watching that Hutchy!

I'm saying it's a virus and your going to get it. I guess we could get government issued bubbles.....

I also have two relatives that work in hospitals in the metro Detroit area, in ICU, and they had a very different story during the big wave of cases and deaths this spring. Both my wife's aunt (30+ in ICU) and her cousin who has been in for only 3 years were in tears talking to us all about it on a family Zoom call, recalling how many people they intubated and watched die cut off from their families.

It's all about location. Up north where we live, most of the hospital staff are begging for work, and there's worry of more people dying from things like heart attacks cuz they aren't going to the hospital.

But there is no denying how terrible it has been where the virus hits hard. Simply no argument. It is not the same as the flu, blah blah blah. Those of you who are denying it out of political rigidity, leave most of us speechless.