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Home improvement gurus #6922203
07/06/20 09:51 PM
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Sooo need some advice here. Long story short this hole in one of my house bathrooms needs to be fixed and I'm not 100% sure how to with out ripping up the whole floor. The way it looks is who ever built the house put a layer of plywood over the floors frame and then did the tile job on top of that. Problem is water leaked in from the shower which I'm planning on replacing and rotted some stuff causing it to collapse. Anyhow seems I could just rip up the old tile a couple if feet in either direction and screw on some good treated 2×4's to parts of the fram that are still good and then add a layer of treated ply wood then retile everything buuut im not much if a carpenter so wanted to see what yall thought. Sorry for the crappy pictures by the way

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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922210
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This is something I deal with quite a bit- there is a good procedure to get it back in shape but 1) get the shower you are replacing out b4 you decide anything- there is likely a lot of work to do there. 2) forget 2x4s- get treated 2x6 if not 2x8s to match the flooring joists which are no doubt weakened. Don't skimp.

Use framing hangers and box in the area of repairs whether it is the entire floor or just a portion. To do this, you sister onto each joist and hang extra cross members between them (perpendicular) to support both the edges and the inside of the area of repair. Buy screwing the hangers onto the new wood- you can get a reasonably firm floor which you need for about any floor finish but it is especially important for tile.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Leftlane] #6922213
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
This is something I deal with quite a bit- there is a good procedure to get it back in shape but 1) get the shower you are replacing out b4 you decide anything- there is likely a lot of work to do there. 2) forget 2x4s- get treated 2x6 if not 2x8s to match the flooring joists which are no doubt weakened. Don't skimp.

Use framing hangers and box in the area of repairs whether it is the entire floor or just a portion. To do this, you sister onto each joist and hang extra cross members between them (perpendicular) to support both the edges and the inside of the area of repair. Buy screwing the hangers onto the new wood- you can get a reasonably firm floor which you need for about any floor finish but it is especially important for tile.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922214
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Thanks Rob- I also should have added that it might not be all that fun but run the new wood as far along the rotting floor joists as you can to get to good wood again. Getting new wood secured to good wood will greatly enhance the overall repair.

Good luck Wolfie- think of it this way. No matter how talented you get with the welder- you cant weld to rust. Same principle applies here.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922221
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Nothing to add other than I hope your AC is working.

Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922226
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I had to do my bathroom some years back. Same thing, leak for years, and when I noticed the floor getting soft it was bad. I started tearing stuff out. Ended up when you opened the bathroom door there was no floor. Could see dirt. You need some kids. They will motivate you to get the shower and toilet going.

I used treated lumber as was suggested. Have not had another leak. I take a look under there now once or twice a year. Thinking if its a leak that doesnt show up inside again that treated lumber ought to last till I see the leak. Old leak was in the drain. Not the water lines. I have no idea how many years it had been leaking.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922331
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If you feel like you have to use treated lumber then it sounds like your not confident about fixing the leak. Tear everything out until you get to the point that there’s no more water damage and take care of the leak. There should really be no reason to use treated lumber indoors. I would have yo assume that there’s some mold issues going on to so i would address that also.

Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922336
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Plumbing sucks find the good studs and fill in between them, I'd do treated lumber also just to avoid ever having to do it again.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922339
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If you use treated lumber you need to use galvanized fasteners, Not just bright nails or sheetrock screws.

I would gut the entire room. Don't install new tile over plywood. Too much flex. Lay half inch cement board over the subfloor and the tile on top of that. Be sure to consider how much clearance you have under the door if it opens into the bathroom. You might need to trim the bottom if the new floor is a bit higher


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If you have carpenter ants down there, you may be ripping out more than you thought.
They like damp wood.

Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922374
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Dkrug the carpenter ants up here will eat anything, even my boots!!

Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: white17] #6922445
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Originally Posted by white17
If you use treated lumber you need to use galvanized fasteners, Not just bright nails or sheetrock screws.

I would gut the entire room. Don't install new tile over plywood. Too much flex. Lay half inch cement board over the subfloor and the tile on top of that. Be sure to consider how much clearance you have under the door if it opens into the bathroom. You might need to trim the bottom if the new floor is a bit higher



I've done dozens of repairs that looked very similar to what you've got there. White pretty much nailed it.



I've never used treated for this type of repair. Only reason to use treated would be if the joists are less than 18" above grade in a crawl space. As mentioned, if you use treated, make sure you use approved fasteners. The chemicals in the treated wood will deteriorate standard fasteners relatively quickly


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922452
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Once you crawl under the house, you'll see how far you'll need new wood to run.

You'll also see if you need to improve cross ventilation, depending in the mold you may find.

Ya gota do this from under the house.

These guys got it covered well.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922474
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If that is the shower part it dosen't look like they used a 40mil rubber membrane tp keep the water from leaking. Do as suggested above with out treated lumber 2x8 or 2x10 what ever was where before.Jim

Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922548
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This should buy you some time doing the repair properly. Its not good to be rushed with those woodworking projects


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Scuba1] #6922559
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
This should buy you some time doing the repair properly. Its not good to be rushed with those woodworking projects


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just use a bucket with saw dust , and spend the other 50 dollars on lumber


the others have it well covered for what you need to do , I like to sister things up for a good distance as long a dimensional lumber as I can get in the space if you can get all the way to a girder that is great.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922688
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White made a good point about the cement board, NEVER lay tile over plywood. The movement of the wood will eventually cause the grout to crack at minimum, but a lot of times the tile will crack on the plywood joints over time. Good luck with your project.

Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922811
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Pretty much what everyone has said. Easily done yourself if you have a few tools. Rip out all the rot and replace it with new stuff. I have even gone as far as leveling up a house with a few big jacks and driving in supports to make an old house level again. You gonna need a BFH and a sawzall will make it all go so much easier.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922812
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Also dont be afraid to try your hand at laying some tile back on the floor. Its fairly easy to learn to do with the spacers and stuff they have available these days.


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Re: Home improvement gurus [Re: Wolfdog91] #6922865
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x3 on what White17 posted and would be a good time to upgrade the plumbing with flexible supply lines and pvc. Costs more now but a young guy like you will surely get your monies worth in the long run.


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