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Question for L.E. No baiting. #6922935
07/07/20 04:25 PM
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Sprung & Rusty Offline OP
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LE asks for ID at a traffic stop. Person asks why they have been pulled over. Officer says ID first and then will tell you. Why won't LE just tell the person when asked right away?


No Jab.
Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6922941
07/07/20 04:30 PM
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Why isn’t LE required to inform the person pulled over without having to ask?


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6922943
07/07/20 04:30 PM
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In my case, the officer pointed out my offense right away.


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: run] #6922945
07/07/20 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by run
In my case, the officer pointed out my offense right away.

I’ve never been pulled over, so I don’t know what actually happens or is supposed to happen. Seems you should be informed at first contact though.


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6922954
07/07/20 04:38 PM
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Around here the officer will first say “do you know why I pulled you over?”. IMO Based on what you say you can get multiple tickets admitting to something the officer get original notice. lol

Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6922956
07/07/20 04:39 PM
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Cfowler, I trust you can continue to maintain your record.


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6922960
07/07/20 04:42 PM
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They ask the questions-you answer or not.


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6922970
07/07/20 04:47 PM
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Every time I have been pulled over, they ask if I know why they pulled me over. I say no sir, and then they proceed to tell me.


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: 080808] #6922992
07/07/20 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 080808
Around here the officer will first say “do you know why I pulled you over?”. IMO Based on what you say you can get multiple tickets admitting to something the officer get original notice. lol


Yup,

The NYS Troopers and various other NYS police entities always ask for

your license, registration, and proof of Insurance at the start of a traffic stop.

Then they ask YOU if you know why they have pulled you over.

Any statement you make helps them form evidence of a charge against you.

Then when writing up the ticket, there is an actual printout of you incriminating yourself.

I say absolutely nothing during a traffic stop unless the officer states an unfounded,
untrue, or inaccurate reason which amounts to a lie.

Then I will respectfully call them on it.

I generally don't answer any questions on where I am going,
or where I am coming from.

I may sometimes admit that I am out for a drive for no specific purpose,
or to no particular destination at all.

I am polite, respectful, and follow directions to the letter,
but don't offer any conversation that may be used against me.

I never submit to a search of my VECHILE LOL laugh

If asked, I always cite the 4th Amendment, and request a warrant to
search detailing the specific area of my VECHILE they wish to search,
and the specific items they hope to seize.

I almost never get a ticket any more, or am "let off" with a warning.

Moral of the story is don't let the cops "chat you up" in NYS.

w

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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923002
07/07/20 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sprung&Rusty
LE asks for ID at a traffic stop. Person asks why they have been pulled over. Officer says ID first and then will tell you. Why won't LE just tell the person when asked right away?


Because what you're being charge with may effect your reaction to the charge. The police officer wants the information first, he doesn't want you having it first.

if i tell you what i'm arresting you for before i confirm your identity you can get away based on your reaction to the "potential" charge, giving you a chance to fight or run.

The cop wants your ID, so he can check who you are, check your priors, before telling you a charge, so he is best prepared to handle any potential reaction to that charge..

it's in the best interest of officer's safety to identify the person you're dealing with FIRST, so you have all the best information.

if i give you the charge, then you have the charge and your background, you have more information than me as a cop. i don't want that imbalance.

if you're on you have warrants, if you have a history of resisting, if you have reason to flee.... ETC.... there are a million reasons a cop should have all the information. it's their life at risk

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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923026
07/07/20 05:41 PM
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I call them racist, and come out swingin'


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923045
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Reasonable articulate suspicion must be offered prior to requesting id in some states.

Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: walleyed] #6923052
07/07/20 05:58 PM
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Walleyed, please spell vehicle correctly. This is not a coonman thread.


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923065
07/07/20 06:12 PM
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They always ask "where are you going?" I've replied more than once " to grandmother's house I go" this has always got me more questions like "how much have you had to drink tonight?"


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923070
07/07/20 06:19 PM
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They ask if I know why they pulled me over and I say, "It could be any number of things!"

Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: run] #6923080
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Originally Posted by run

Walleyed, please spell vehicle correctly. This is not a coonman thread.


Nope,

I have realized the error of my ways
in spelling it as VEHICLE it the traditional manner !!!!

I now know that coonman had it right all the time !!!! laugh

VECHILE it is !!!!! laugh

w


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923110
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Me: "I am if you're buying!"


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923118
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Officer; Are you drunk? Me,while swigging off a whiskey jug:NO,,but this ought to do it!!!! grin


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923126
07/07/20 07:08 PM
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“Do you know why I pulled you over” is asked on purpose to get you to admit that you knew you were doing whatever it was you were doing. Most people have a “script” so to speak and say the same thing at each stop.

“I’m so-and-so with such-and-such department. Do you know why I’m pulling you over? It was for so-and-so. Any reason why you would have done that? (Sometimes there’s a good reason.) Can I see your license and insurance please? Thank you, hang on and I’ll be right back with you.” Same thing, every time...

There’s no reason not to tell someone why you pulled them over. Arguing or refusing to tell someone why you pulled them over just makes your life more difficult, escalates things unnecessarily, and generally makes you look like a turd. Kinda stupid to do if you ask me.


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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting. [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6923155
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Needing to show registration, drivers license, and insurance is also about getting you to talk. They can run your tag and they have all of that, including your photo, before they ever even approach the vehicle. But making you provide the paper copies gives them a reason to look around your vehicle and engage you in conversation in the hopes that you'll admit something.


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