Re: Question for L.E. No baiting.
[Re: maintenanceguy]
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cheechako
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Needing to show registration, drivers license, and insurance is also about getting you to talk. They can run your tag and they have all of that, including your photo, before they ever even approach the vehicle. But making you provide the paper copies gives them a reason to look around your vehicle and engage you in conversation in the hopes that you'll admit something. Not so much admit to something as it is maybe I’ll notice something. A pistol sticking out from under a seat, a bag of dope or a pipe in the console. Get a whiff of marijuana or alcohol while standing at the window. Sometimes traffic stops lead to more important things than a traffic ticket. Most times they don’t. You’re just doing what you’re paid to do.
The trapper formerly known as sanfo008
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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting.
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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07/07/20 08:06 PM
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Gary Benson
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When I was a kid about 45 yrs ago I got hauled in for MIP. While waiting for a parent to come sign off on me, a smartarse cop asked me if I wanted to have a beer while I was waiting. They probly wouldn't do that today.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting.
[Re: cheechako]
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07/07/20 08:09 PM
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Cragar
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Needing to show registration, drivers license, and insurance is also about getting you to talk. They can run your tag and they have all of that, including your photo, before they ever even approach the vehicle. But making you provide the paper copies gives them a reason to look around your vehicle and engage you in conversation in the hopes that you'll admit something. Not so much admit to something as it is maybe I’ll notice something. A pistol sticking out from under a seat, a bag of dope or a pipe in the console. Get a whiff of marijuana or alcohol while standing at the window. Sometimes traffic stops lead to more important things than a traffic ticket. Most times they don’t. You’re just doing what you’re paid to do. A standard traffic stop for minor stuff like a taillamp out is just a 'fishing expedition ' . LEO really doesn't care about a minor infraction. They are looking for much bigger crimes. As far as quota goes , most PD depts don't have a ticket quota but brass wants to see 'contacts' Contacts are normal traffic stops or even stopping a pedestrian and 'interviewing' them. More contacts , more crimes discovered and perps charged with a crime. Huge , serious drug busts have been discovered from a burnt out taillamp. Criminals with wants&warrants have been found this way after being on the lam from the law for very long periods of time.
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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting.
[Re: Ouananiche]
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07/07/20 08:26 PM
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Sprung & Rusty
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LE asks for ID at a traffic stop. Person asks why they have been pulled over. Officer says ID first and then will tell you. Why won't LE just tell the person when asked right away? Because what you're being charge with may effect your reaction to the charge. The police officer wants the information first, he doesn't want you having it first. if i tell you what i'm arresting you for before i confirm your identity you can get away based on your reaction to the "potential" charge, giving you a chance to fight or run. The cop wants your ID, so he can check who you are, check your priors, before telling you a charge, so he is best prepared to handle any potential reaction to that charge.. it's in the best interest of officer's safety to identify the person you're dealing with FIRST, so you have all the best information. if i give you the charge, then you have the charge and your background, you have more information than me as a cop. i don't want that imbalance. if you're on you have warrants, if you have a history of resisting, if you have reason to flee.... ETC.... there are a million reasons a cop should have all the information. it's their life at risk However, police work for us and we have rights. Most places I know are not stop and ID. Police need to articulate a crime or violation to get I'D. The police may want I'D first and I can see why by your point, but it seems they are bending the rules to get it first.
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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting.
[Re: Ouananiche]
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07/07/20 08:49 PM
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white17
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LE asks for ID at a traffic stop. Person asks why they have been pulled over. Officer says ID first and then will tell you. Why won't LE just tell the person when asked right away? Because what you're being charge with may effect your reaction to the charge. The police officer wants the information first, he doesn't want you having it first. if i tell you what i'm arresting you for before i confirm your identity you can get away based on your reaction to the "potential" charge, giving you a chance to fight or run. The cop wants your ID, so he can check who you are, check your priors, before telling you a charge, so he is best prepared to handle any potential reaction to that charge.. it's in the best interest of officer's safety to identify the person you're dealing with FIRST, so you have all the best information. if i give you the charge, then you have the charge and your background, you have more information than me as a cop. i don't want that imbalance. if you're on you have warrants, if you have a history of resisting, if you have reason to flee.... ETC.... there are a million reasons a cop should have all the information. it's their life at risk Wow. I'm really having trouble with the logic..........or lack of it in this response. Yes the charge may affect my reaction to it but I can't understand how that will change my identity ? That was the original question wasn't it ? If you are a LEO, you really need to ask your supervisors for some clarity
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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting.
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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07/07/20 10:39 PM
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Good call IME White17. We used to weed out rookies that leaned that direction.
Keep your boots dry
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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting.
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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07/07/20 10:47 PM
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When I get stopped I tell them I'm an old age pensioner on a fixed income.Sometimes it gets me off with a warning from the young ones.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Question for L.E. No baiting.
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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07/07/20 11:06 PM
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Swamp Wolf
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Well... for 25 years I can say that I have never asked someone why they think I pulled them over.
As a game warden, we make far fewer traffic stops than police, deputies, or troopers, but we do make a few. Most of the time the stop is related to a wildlife violation we've witnessed or a public safety driving infraction we've observed., such as reckless driving or possible DUI.
When I approach and speak to the driver I have always told them first why I stopped them. Then I ask for their DL, step back to my vehicle, and handle business. When I return to the driver I explain why they're being charged/warned based on the violation I observed. If i issue a citation, I dont lecture. If I issue a warning, I sometimes give some parting advice.
Thank God For Your Blessings! Never Half-Arse Anything!
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