When a 15 year old girl gets pregnant at the local truck stop playing with a married atheist trucker, it's the pimp that forces her to get an abortion, not the state.

Under the law a foetus does not have human rights.
There are certain rights recognized for a foetus but they are wholly ambiguous.
Until foetal rights are recognized and defined under the law it is a moot point.

Wonder what kind of life those two fifteen year olds would give their baby?

its not what you or I believe that matters-its what the supreme courts decide that matters.

Wonder what kind of life those two fifteen year olds would give their baby?

If a pregnant mother is murdered , isn't the murderer charged with two counts of murder ?

Wonder what kind of life those two fifteen year olds would give their baby?

In the US, if you kill a pregnant woman you are guilty of two murders. There is definitely a double standard when it comes to abortion.

So why doesn't the baby have a sovereign right over its body?

When a 15 year old girl gets pregnant in the church basement playing with the married youth pastor, it is her parents that force her to get an abortion, not the state.

Under the law a foetus does not have human rights.
There are certain rights recognized for a foetus but they are wholly ambiguous.
Until foetal rights are recognized and defined under the law it is a moot point.

its not what you or I believe that matters-its what the supreme courts decide that matters.

In another thread, James said he supports a woman's sovereign right over her body. I'm sure most all of us can see the sense in each of us having some rights over our bodies. James used the phrase in relation to abortion and a woman's say in that issue. So let's go down the sovereign right road.
Women only are interested in abortion when they are pregnant. How did the woman get pregnant? (This post doesn't pertain to rape!)To voluntarily get pregnant, didn't the woman give up her sovereignty for a few moments? She knew when she consented to the act what the outcome might be. She now has a new life inside her BECAUSE she gave up her sovereignty for those few moments. Why then should she retain that sovereign right over that life inside her. By her own permission, didn't she give equal rights to the man who created that life with in her? We all know that various government entities have laws on what you do with your children and those entities will take your children away if you violate those laws. Government entities also have laws on who has parental rights over children if parents split.
Why shouldn't a woman be subject to the laws of the state she lives in concerning her pregnancy and if she can, or can, not have an abortion?
Let's ignore the obvious answer and pretend states really could pass laws on abortion!
Then, one last question........would any of you, you-too, James, been OK with a woman aborting your child?

Not quite right.We all have to answer to God.Abortion is wrong.

it is not up to me to tell anyone what they should do with their body. they should have the freedom of choice after they have to live with their choice. in the USA we are to quick to give up freedom of choice on a lot of things.