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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924692
07/09/20 09:02 AM
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If you run out of time this year, there's still bales of alfalfa and shelled corn or cob corn if you can find it. Deer and turkeys both do a number on haybales around here.


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924727
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
I have mostly oaks and hickory on my 40 acres. The couple of plots that I cut free were mostly black berries interspersed with vines, just a tangled mess that a rabbit would have had a tough time getting through ... The trees that I cut down I left the tops in place just pushed them into one corner of the plot. Ant the bottom of it there is a small pond fed by a natural spring. The plot at the top Had clover in one half and oats in the other ( id did not plant them. Those are leftovers from the previous owner of the place. In the bottom lot I am planning to push the blackberry bushes and vines further back to open the sides up to the standing trees.. The reason that i was thinking of plowing the lot on the bottom is mainly to get the blackberry and vine root out as they are starting to grow again in places. and are 4 foot high at the moment. So brush hogging them and then plowing the chopped plant matter under was my plan for now. Then dicing it in intervals to cut up the roots further. As the spring is out drinking water as well I am not going to use roundup or other chemicals down there. I don't feel comfortable using them that close to my source of drinking water.


STOP Don't do anything if it's briars and honey suckle. Just bush hog 1 strip thru it the way you want the deer to come. The farm I killed the 191 and also took a deer evry year(but one) over 140 was all that mess. Just mowed a strip in front of my ladder stand and waited...
look up the nutrition value of the combo. Better for deer than anything you can plant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The deer from every farm wintered in the honey suckle and briars. The farm was 100 acres and NO HARD woods Put my ladder stands in cedars and hedge apple trees... During December muzzle loading the 4 of us would see over 50 deer a day . Some may have been the same but if you have 15 does in front of you and the other hunters also have 5-10 at the same time , can't be same deer. Remember around here a deer is a over grown rabbit. If you want to jump a rabbit you go to the briar thickets !!!!!!!!

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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924728
07/09/20 09:36 AM
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Good point- some of the biggest and healthiest deer and turkey I have ever seen are on winter wheat or alfalfa. Milo seems to be a universal yum yum too.


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924737
07/09/20 09:42 AM
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Blackberry briers are a favorite browse of deer in the fall as the leaves start to turn and blackberries also provide food and shelter for other critters as well. Wild grape vines provide browse for deer as well. Sounds like a little selective bush hogging occasionally to keep the area from getting totally out of control would have maintained some pretty desirable habitat for wildlife.


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924744
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These pics show what the fields looked like. Notice the back ground . Then look where the deer traveled .... Had 10 of thousands of pics over the 20 years I hunted that mess. Neighbors hardly ever killed a deer as when the rut was on the bucks where on this farm......



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These pics show what the fields looked like. Notice the back ground . Then look where the deer traveled .... Had 10 of thousands of pics over the 20 years I hunted that mess. Neighbors hardly ever killed a deer as when the rut was on the bucks where on this farm......

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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924760
07/09/20 10:18 AM
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I have tons of raspberries and blackberries on the property and wild vines a plenty. Had to cut a bunch of them down as they are killing some of my walnut trees. At a guess I have about 10 acres of the stuff out of the 40 that have. Right now the deer sign I see is packed with blackberry seeds so they are having a feast here at the moment


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924764
07/09/20 10:21 AM
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This will probably explain some of what I have here better that an essay At 6:25 is when I get to the patch I was talking about but then head up the track to the other spots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6GiWsO4TnI

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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924803
07/09/20 11:13 AM
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Well first off, your narrating sucks but your turtle rescuing skills are on par. 2nd- I am a wide open spaces guy so I would day dream about a prescribed burn but yeah, I agree. They have lots of cover and no doubt lots of native goodies to munch. If you can identify things that would compliment the offerings you already have they should consider your property a little slice of heaven. They sure wont run out of shady places to hide / lay up.

I am bettering if you offer up small flakes of alfalfa or clover and set a trail cam you can get a rather complete census taken w/i a couple of weeks. Good luck and have fun.


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924806
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Oh and nice looking venison there JByrd!


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924809
07/09/20 11:17 AM
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how much bigger does 40 acres seem after workin on it awhile??

whats around your farm also makes a huge difference,at least here i know.i use my neighbors to my advantage to the max.









Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924815
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Hay fields and cattle is all we have around here as far as farming goes. All small holding s though


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924846
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This is what it looked like after I went amok with the wee whacker and a mulching blade on it . Now the weeds and briar saplings are 5 toot tall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h8UIeEP51I


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924849
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they are just like us--what don't kill em just makes em stronger.









Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6924893
07/09/20 12:33 PM
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I do about 6 or 7 acres worth of plots broken up into small 1/4 ,1/2 acre spots around our deer stands. I have settled on winter rye and red clover for me seems to work out the best. I have played around with turnips and brasica's had some good stands but weather has gotten me more than once and left me scrambling in the late fall putting something else in.
This is my yearly routine i will either mow my rye early in the summer or let it head out and mow it once it mature. The pros of letting it head out is that it makes good cover for the does and the new fawns. the down side is it a pain to get worked up in the soil after mowing. I let it head out this year and just mowed it down a couple of weeks ago and right now the red clover is about 15inches high.
Here toward the end of the month I will kill everything off with a mix of roundup and 2 4 D once it dead I'll broadcast fertilizer and disk or cultivate it up. Later on it will green back up and I'll hit it one more time with the weed killer. Around the first two weeks of September I'll plant the rye and red clover.
I'll plant the rye then run my cultipacker over it broadcast the clover and cultipack it one more time. I have gotten great stands of clover doing it this way. If you want to establish a long term clover patch you can substitute in ladino clover for the red I have 2 larger ones that I can get about 6 or 7 years out of before I work them up again.
As for my weed kill mix 3 oz roundup and 2 oz 24D per gallon of water with 2lbs AMS (amonium sulfate) and a shot of surfactant in a 15 gal tank. When I first started doing this I was just mixing up the roundup and 24D with no other stuff added, it killed stuff but sometime not well and slow doing it. The AMS is the key with the way it effects the water with the chem for the plant taking it in. You can get AMS in liquid or dry form and both run about 15 bucks they will do a couple hundred gal of water. If you get the dry, mix it up in a bucket or empty jug it looks like kosher salt and it need to be dissolved before adding to your tank or you take the chance of plugging a spray nozzle. And for the surfactant I buy they genereic brand from out farm store same for the roundup and 24d. I seen where some people suggest dish soap for surfactant but I ended up with a bunch of suds and I've read that some soaps can inhibit the effectiveness of the roundup weakens it.
Well this was long winded but I hope it will help someone with their food plots
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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6925037
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As I said, I am not comfortable using weed killer of other chemicals that close to the spring. So any weed killing will have to be done on a mechanical basis. And no I am not going to fart around for hours on end with a little rake and hoe down there either. I may expand the top plot as that is far enough away to use roundup or similar. The one next to the spring. I think i'll just mow and then plow and disk the heck out of it till planting season next year. Then start from scratch on a clean canvas


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Scuba1] #6925072
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TRUST ME scuba If all around is pasture then leave the briars and thickets alone . Just mow you astrip to go in and out to put up stands and to get to them to hunt. STAY OUT all summer long and put your stands up late august or early sept. Or leave them up year round. The deer will move in stay and NEVER leave .If the girls raise there the big boys will come during the rut. We pulled our stands new years week end every year and put them back first week in Oct. That was when I put up trail cams . Running them once a week and driving my truck right to them . NEVER walked thru any of the thickets . IT WILL amaze you how timid the deer will become. First if you bump them going to and from the stand they will just move a few yards out of site and then circle back thru your mowed path after you get seated and things calm down. One stretch of seasons I would get into the stand and 5 minutes after shooting light was tagged out. 5 out of 8 years . The stand became known as the 5 minute stand ...Plus I would wait until I could shoot then still hunt my way into the stands. Several dandy bucks died doing that ......

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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Hay fields and cattle is all we have around here as far as farming goes. All small holding s though



If the video is the land you are talking about then forget all I've said . I thought you meant everything around was open pastere and no farming. Yes food plots will be your best bet. As for weed killer how far you pumping water ?// LOL Too many thickets to hunt like I described . clover wheat and turnips .......

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Looks a lot different after the weed wacking. Appears you will always have job security running the brush hog.


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Re: Food lots again [Re: Drifter] #6925233
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Looks a lot different after the weed wacking. Appears you will always have job security running the brush hog.


The thicket there was 10 feet tall ... it took me a week to cut out that patch with a steel ruching blade on the weed eater. I plum wore out the tips to nothing on three blades. I do need to pick some rocks out of there before I play with a brush hog in that part of the property, or there will be shrapnel flying all over the shop.


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About the only thing I can think of is a brassica.
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