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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #6926351
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
I use to regularly make 3 sets on a location but only once in awhile catch to critters and have never caught 3 at one check. So know I only use two sets and I'm getting were ill sometimes space them out a hundred or 2 yards apart. Now if I was on a dead pile or carcass ill go with 3 plus sets. Always a dirt hole of some variation. I really like flat sets put the micro location has to be there for one. Rode with a guy that averages double digit catches on coyotes a day and it 95% dirt holes. Same set, same scents at everyone.


I have never tripled on coyote, but double up often enough to make multiple sets worthwhile. But I think the real advantage of multiple sets on location is multiple chances at an individual coyote if you miss him at the first set.

Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: btomlin] #6926413
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Originally Posted by btomlin
You decide the location is ideal for 3 sets, let's say.

1. What set types are you going to plug in? Efficiency would say 3 identical due to repetition. My logic is 3 different, DH, Flat, Pipe, etc so I feel it takes me longer to set area and fewer sets go in during a day.

2. If all dirt holes, are you going to a. make all 3 identical with same bait/lure/urine setup b. make 3 identical with different bait, lure, urine. c. make 3 variations with same bait/lure/urine or d. Make 3 variations with different bait/lure/urine



I make multiple sets at a stop. I used to do one flat set and one dirthole. The dirtholes had coyotes the flat sets sat idle. So now it's dirthole and dirthole. Same bait and urine. Efficient. I know it won't work in all parts of the country and if you want a little variation in your life have at it with the flat sets. For the most part they just don't produce like the dirtholes here. I know I'm one of the odd guys out but there are others that use the same mentality.


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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: walleye101] #6926422
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Originally Posted by walleye101

I have never tripled on coyote, but double up often enough to make multiple sets worthwhile. But I think the real advantage of multiple sets on location is multiple chances at an individual coyote if you miss him at the first set.


I agree- I think it was Bad Karma who used to call it the triangle of death. Although I don't triple and rarely double, I take the trash out quickly and always surmised that I tend to catch the more wary or even possibly educated coyotes the first time they slow down for me. I have found several times a trap being dug up or scratch marks right up to the trap and an older coyote in the bushes cuffed by the trap at the urine post


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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926529
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Guy I road with had 5 at the first place we pulled up to. 5 traps, 5 coyotes.

Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926557
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Shouda set 6.

Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926569
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5 sets, 3 nights, 15 coyotes. I think he wished he would have made 15 sets and seen how many he could have got in one pic.

Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926850
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I make two sets at each location and if I add others they are at least a good football field away and then another pair made there. One is double dirthole and other is a post set. If I do add a third set it's a flat set or something completely different like mound with a hole.
I get at least half of my coyotes at post sets with just urine.
Double dirtholes get bait in one hole and beaver castor or mink gland lure in other hole.
Flat sets or mound with hole are with some call or gland lure.
No real science to it just always did it this way.
We have so many coon, possum, skunks, and occasional badger here that the multiple sets help keep something operating for coyotes when they come through. I do get a few doubles but not many. Had a double last year and that was fun.
Jim

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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926898
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I don’t know Mac whoever’s “fault” it was doesn’t really matter. It was interesting to see how he did it. I was reading archives on Gappa’s site last night. He was discussing checking traps at 65 mph right off the road and overlooking multiple sets on different properties to avoid detection/theft. That was back in 2005. I’d share a chair next to him and love to hear all the techniques he used. Once again it boils down to even with his best kept secrets the main thing he has is a work ethic and drive. That’s something the best trapping academy, book, or video will never teach anyone.


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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926916
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I count the number of species by tracks to determine how many sets go in to start. If there's coyotes, fox , coon and opossum then 4 sets go in. Very seldom does a coyote get missed by all 4 and some sets are always waiting. My first triple on yotes one ran off as I was driving in. I set a location for what it has to offer and what they came for.. I almost always add a scent post a ways off to give them something to pee on.


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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926936
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I make 2 sets at every stop. Stepdown dirtholes are my go to set, usually 2 at each location. Have had good luck with pipe sets and last year tried grab and pull sets. The grab and pulls surprised me, caught quite a few on them. I use 2 bait and lure combos at each stop, with very little urine. I really like the stepdowns as they are naturally guided. All sets get waxed sand from the time they are set. #3 dogless Bridgers are my main trap, with Kendall's Extremes getting put in more of the sets. Sign is hard to find for me as I'm in the Sandhills pastures, more on locations. They can't resist checking out windmills. One benefit to this ground is there are very few skunks and have never caught a grinner.

Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926950
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Very few skunks sounds like a dream come true. If we didn't have so many $#@* skunks I could bet by with 1/2 the sets.

Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6926996
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Every location should be treated differently. One location may need 3 sets to cover different approaches. Even different times of the year will call for more or less traps. During the fall shuffle or during the breeding season you may want to set more traps at a location.
Those that set dead piles at feed lots would be wasting their time by setting even 2 or 3 traps. You can't catch 12 coyotes at one stop If you only set 4 traps.

Lets say we are trapping a 80 acre field It has 2 field roads that dead end going Into that field. We also have to deal with changing wind patterns and we have to deal with lots of non targets.
How many traps would you set at this location?


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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: The Beav] #6927032
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That sounds like my type of ground Beav, I could put 8 sets out there and have them all be full of coons or possums for the first couple days. Then after about three or four days of that I could maybe catch a coyote if I have some fresh sets in the ground.

Not sure if it’s just me, but I can not catch a coyote in a coon or possum remake to save my life. I’d pay someone a lot of money if they could show me how to do it lol. Cat and fox remakes are money for me on coyotes tho. anyone else experience this or have any ideas ?

And I should also add, that even on my fox and bobcat remakes, I still have to move my trap to the down wind edge of the burn circle.

Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #6927044
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
5 sets, 3 nights, 15 coyotes. I think he wished he would have made 15 sets and seen how many he could have got in one pic.


Dammit man- that is some serious whacking and stacking! I suppose I or anyone would learn from a guy that good.


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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: WadeRyan] #6927105
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Originally Posted by WadeRyan
I don’t know Mac whoever’s “fault” it was doesn’t really matter. It was interesting to see how he did it. I was reading archives on Gappa’s site last night. He was discussing checking traps at 65 mph right off the road and overlooking multiple sets on different properties to avoid detection/theft. That was back in 2005. I’d share a chair next to him and love to hear all the techniques he used. Once again it boils down to even with his best kept secrets the main thing he has is a work ethic and drive. That’s something the best trapping academy, book, or video will never teach anyone.



My point was missed. He is an excellent trapper, for everything. If he had been offering instructions a few years ago I would probably pony up. Years ago he graciously offered I could ride along in the winter. He has probably forgot. I just could not get out of work.

My point is simple. I believe he learned a lower profile would have caused less headaches than the higher profile. He or others might disagree but I sincerely doubt it.



Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6927117
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If your traveling down a road that will allow you to be running at 65 miles an hour you can't be covering many good locations. LOL

But I use to do that when I was coon trapping Road ditches. I would use those survey flags. Just roll up the flag part stick the flag in the ground next to the BG and place the rolled up flag end under the BG dog. Just like checking tip ups but not so cold. LOL


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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: Wolfdog91] #6927121
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For the newer trapper reading this thread,,, you can not catch what ain't there. I know it sounds obvious but True none the less.
Cover lots of ground. And pull and move after catch start's to slow down.
Because zero day add's nothing .
3 weeks to a month come back ,and set it up again to catch what moved in .


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Originally Posted by The Beav
If your traveling down a road that will allow you to be running at 65 miles an hour you can't be covering many good locations. LOL

But I use to do that when I was coon trapping Road ditches. I would use those survey flags. Just roll up the flag part stick the flag in the ground next to the BG and place the rolled up flag end under the BG dog. Just like checking tip ups but not so cold. LOL


Sounds like a work smarter deal to me.


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Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: red mt] #6927138
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Originally Posted by red mt
For the newer trapper reading this thread,,, you can not catch what ain't there. I know it sounds obvious but True none the less.
Cover lots of ground. And pull and move after catch start's to slow down.
Because zero day add's nothing .
3 weeks to a month come back ,and set it up again to catch what moved in .

Can't tell you how much I struggled with this concept lol

Re: Coyotes coyotes coyotes [Re: red mt] #6927141
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Originally Posted by red mt
Originally Posted by The Beav
If your traveling down a road that will allow you to be running at 65 miles an hour you can't be covering many good locations. LOL

But I use to do that when I was coon trapping Road ditches. I would use those survey flags. Just roll up the flag part stick the flag in the ground next to the BG and place the rolled up flag end under the BG dog. Just like checking tip ups but not so cold. LOL


Sounds like a work smarter deal to me.




How many top locations are there like that on your Line? And still be able to hide your catch?
There are none like that on my line. So I'm just going to have to work harder. LOL

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