Had to buy a box of masks yesterday to conduct business transactions as most stores here aren't allowing Anyone In the store without a stupid mask. There are some stuff you just have to buy in person.

This morning I noticed the warnings listed. I took this photo from the box. The ones on the left (1-10) are the original warnings which has been used for years. The warnings in the right are recent. Both sets contradict

Idiots need signs a no diving sign in a kiddie pool!

We are all going to die.
99.99% of us not as soon as some.

Just wear it...you'll live

adam i’ll agree it’s a bunch of crap, people don’t even think. They just assume the mask will save their life, kinda like a kids security blanket. They fail to realize that if you hold a mask up to the light you can see right through it with the naked eye, not to mention the gaps around the masks and to even see the virus you have to look at it through a frickin microscope. Also this virus is so dangerous and deadly that you can just throw the masks away anywhere, there’s no biohazard bins or anything to dispose of millions of masks with deadly germs on them.

I keep seeing people claim that masks can't be effective at preventing the spread of Covid-19 because the viruses are small enough to go through any gaps and even the fabric, if it's porous enough..The viruses are tiny, but they don't move on their own, when propelled out of people's noses or mouths, they are stuck in globules of human saliva or mucous. The masks just have to catch the globules the virus is trapped in.

If you don't believe, try this, put pepper in water and try to spit it through a colander. Very little if any pepper will make it through and the distance it will cover, if it does make it through is greatly shortened, compared to just spitting it.

Keith

Exactly keystone.

LOL Jerry.

Keith you are comparing apple to oranges. Pepper is thousands times bigger than a molecule. If the mask is not rated for infectious disease then it is absolutely pointless to wear one. Even N95 respirator masks are 1 time use. N95 in a hospital is a great assurance not just because of the mask but also the filtration, duct system, air purification etc... systems installed in the hospital but especially in certain hospital rooms (patient, surg, icu, radiology). If you never been in a patient room with an infectious disease the protocol for anyone who enters the room MUST put on a disposable gown, mask, hat and gloves, the second the person leaves all of the items are disposed in a bio hazard bin. To see my son in NICU the procedure was worse we had scrub in (like a surgeon) before we put on any PPE.

So then why do surgeons and OR personnel wear masks during a surgery?

Is it for protection of the patient or themselves? I think it might go both ways. I'm sure there are plenty of aerosolizing procedures conducted during most surgeries.

I would think the masks are helpful in some way or doctors and nurses wouldn't wear them during a surgery.

Just read a study last night showing that most masks other than n99(not to be confused with n95) lose half tvekr effectiveness after 20 minutes. They didn't go past that time for some reason as most are being forced to wear them for 8+ hours.

The mask ads you are starting to see on TV are almost comical. My favorite is the copper-infused ones. Like copper is more protective than the others.

How do the sets contradict?
i read them twice, haha, i'm not smart... And this isn't my first language

#10 says it doesn't have FDA approval, the 11 and 12 says it does. 11 also contradicts 1 and 4

Saw a comparison test on TV last Sunday a week ago. Something like a 60 minutes program. They used a model head with a spray device inside the mouth, to simulate a cough or sneeze. A black light revealed the travel of the moisture droplets. They tested many types of masks. The winning mask was a two ply fabric mask that was homemade. It arrested the moisture droplets better than the various commercial products. As Keith said, the virus cannot move by itself and it depends on moisture droplets in order to escape our mouth and nose.

I don't see it, it all makes sense to me.

10 says no, the FDA has not given "approval" for/or "cleared" this product
11 says still no "approval" or "clearance", but the EUA has different rules for an emergency, so under that act you can use it, but do not confuse this for a "cleared or approved" product, it is simply "authorized" under the EUA
12 just confirms what we already know, they added this language because that mask is not a medical supply, it falls under the "alternative uses" protocols, and uses the word "authorize" also, which confirms my explaination that this is only authorized under EUA for a short period, but is not "cleared or approved" by the FDA in a normal way, they want to make sure you know there's a difference, and once the EUA is lifted, these can't be used this way anymore.

cleared and approved are obviously the standard official/technical term for having legalised something, whereas "authorize" is not.

That all makes perfect sense to me. that's why they used "cleared and approved" in 10 and only "authorized" in 11 and 12. Hence, not contradicting themselves. They intentionally created separation by using different words, so they aren't contradictory.

So, i don't see any contradiction, i see subtle wording that may be confusing, but it's all sound in the end...

moving on....

11 vs 1 an 4

11 says they're "authorized" to stop the "spread"
1 says they don't stop things coming INTO your mouth. These masks stop the spread by stopping what comes OUT OF your mouth, not by what goes in.... So.... No contradiction there, because they are, as 11 says "helping stop the spread" by stopping the wearer from spreading it, so #1 is not contradictory to 11.

4 Same as 1.... These masks won't stop you from contracting (as stated) they stop you from passing it on... so again, no contradiction. Because they are still helping stop the spread.

You can point out this simple fact over and over. Doing this also appears pointless.

I have go loosen a few nuts now. I'm going spray kroll through a mask onto those nuts. Speaking of nuts.............

It appears to me to be as effective as a Gremlin bell on a motor cycle.

Copper has long been known to kill many bacteria, fungi and viruses on contact.
So yes, copper infused masks are likely to be much more effective than those of the same construction but without the copper.

It's all BS. Time for natural selection to start having a say once again. If you're that big of a moron, quit sucking my air.

I have seen some that say that. But, Dr. Wm Schaffner, medical director of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, MD said he is dubious that copper masks are any better than regular ones.

I'd think for the cost, it can't hurt to try the copper ones. They aren't disposable and can be reused.