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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6930608
07/15/20 12:23 PM
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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: YamaCat] #6930627
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Originally Posted by YamaCat
Originally Posted by charles
Covid can have lasting disabilities says CDC. Brain, heart, and lungs may be permanently damaged.


Especially the Brain .



Most viruses can cross the blood brain barrier. So it's no surprise that it can affect the brain. The Epstein Bar Virus(EBV) can affect the brain too. The Herpes Zoster Virus(HZ) affects the heart and can cause heart problems too. If just depends on the weak link in your body as to where the virus decides to settle. Not trying to make light of the Corona. It's definitely here and can cause problems just like a lot of other viruses.

Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6930652
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So wade I looked at Texas data, a bit from your link. The measured positive rate is now near 17% and trending upward. Before the reopening the rate was only about 7%

The Covid hospitalization numbers went from 2,000 patients on June 1 to about 10,000 patients on July 9 and trending upward.

I'm a betting man, and I'd bet the death toll for corona will catch up to your above average Texas flu season numbers.



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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6930691
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I cant help but wonder is anyone has taken into account the illegals coming across the southern border into Texas.

You know- the ones who walked all the way up from El Salvador and Guatemala with nothing (except brand new i-phones, skinny jeans w/ bling on the pockets, designer hair cuts, and still managed to arrive 100 pounds over weight)?


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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: charles] #6930939
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Originally Posted by charles
Covid can have lasting disabilities says CDC. Brain, heart, and lungs may be permanently damaged.


When I hear or read "does" and "are" I will pay attention. Otherwise, it is speculation at best with no proof.


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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6932120
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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6932163
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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: Leftlane] #6932195
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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6932212
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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6932584
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The flu season ends in April. Apparently not in Texas this year. Wade add another 239 ( the last two days) to your Texas total. Appears the game wasn't over at halftime.


I forgot: add 239 new inflated numbers to add to the old inflated numbers. smile

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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6932589
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Yall can take this for what it is worth- I will pass along the latest from this week.

I know of a married couple and one of their close friends who got the covid and bounced back extremely quickly. All parents are 50 ish and their are 4 kids between the two households. I was told that the 12 yr old girl had the worst symptoms but that she turned it around in just over 3 days. Everyone else was bad for 2 days and improving rabidly on the 3rd. It shouldn't matter, but all are middle to upper middle class working families (successful / hard working) out in the burbs of San Antonio TX.

I have recently started seeing a social worker of some kind- I do not know her exact title but she works with low income and disabled people usually in public housing in San Antonio. I found it interesting that she said the people she works with are usually handled over the phone and with skype type meetings. She said she has only had a limited # of cases but that they take weeks and weeks to report any improvement.


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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6932636
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"What methods are used to estimate the number of influenza-associated deaths in the U.S.?

The methods to estimate the annual number of influenza-associated deaths have been described in detail elsewhere (1-2). The model uses a ratio of deaths-to-hospitalizations in order to estimate the total influenza-associated deaths from the estimated number of influenza-associated hospitalizations.

We first look at how many in-hospital deaths were observed in FluSurv-NET. The in-hospital deaths are adjusted for under-detection of influenza using methods similar to those described above for hospitalizations using data on the frequency and sensitivity of influenza testing. Second, because not all deaths related to influenza occur in the hospital, we use death certificate data to estimate how likely deaths are to occur outside the hospital. We look at death certificates that have pneumonia or influenza causes (P&I), other respiratory and circulatory causes (R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-circulatory causes of death, because deaths related to influenza may not have influenza listed as a cause of death. We use information on the causes of death from FluSurv-NET to determine the mixture of P&I, R&C, and other coded deaths to include in our investigation of death certificate data. Finally, once we estimate the proportion of influenza-associated deaths that occurred outside of the hospital, we can estimate the deaths-to-hospitalization ratio.

Data needed to estimate influenza-associated deaths may lag for up to two years after the season ends. When this is not yet available for the season being estimated, we adjust based on values observed in prior seasons (e.g., the 2010-2011 season through the 2016-2017 season) and update the estimates when more current data become available.
Why doesnít CDC base its seasonal flu mortality estimates only on death certificates that specifically list influenza?

Seasonal influenza may lead to death from other causes, such as pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It has been recognized for many years that influenza is underreported on death certificates. There may be several reasons for underreporting, including that patients arenít always tested for seasonal influenza virus infection, particularly older adults who are at greatest risk of seasonal influenza complications and death. Even if a patient is tested for influenza, influenza virus infection may not be identified because the influenza virus is only detectable for a limited number of days after infection and many people donít seek medical care in this interval. Additionally, some deaths Ė particularly among those 65 years and older Ė are associated with secondary complications of influenza (including bacterial pneumonias). For these and other reasons, modeling strategies are commonly used to estimate flu-associated deaths. Only counting deaths where influenza was recorded on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of influenzaís true impact."

CDC


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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6932966
07/17/20 05:43 PM
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Dirt, sorry Iíve been busy saving lives. Itís my birthday so Iím going to go eat some ribs in the meantime Iíve been working on all day. If the shutdown of Texas was saving so many lives. Why havenít the people of South Dakota or here in Nebraska been dropping like flies?

Iím not sure what youíre trying to show with your last post? It pretty much points out Influenza is underreported? I thought weíd already established that.

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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6933099
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I'm pointing out that the Flu death numbers appear to be an "estimate influenza-associated deaths " Much like the corona estimated associated deaths. Which are figured well after the year the numbers come in.

Basically, both numbers are going to be a WAG. They are not hard numbers.


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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: charles] #6933433
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Originally Posted by charles
Covid can have lasting disabilities says CDC. Brain, heart, and lungs may be permanently damaged.


They are also talking here in Ohio about the severe damage it can and is causing to the kidneys... I understand from what I have heard on TV that this kidney problem is popping up in the younger people vs. the older folks.

One southern county here in Ohio, was getting along fine until they opened everything up at the end of June. Then the cases took off. All of the facts they use is based on per capita. This one county (Athens), the tracers found that many of the new positives came from people that had frequented one or more of three bars. The bars were not enforcing distancing requirements and not sure about other regulations, but these bars have been shut down.

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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6933648
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I think you guys saying it can cause permanent damage live in a fantasy land. Literally any virus you catch can cause lasting damage. Human metapneumovirus is a virus found in the common upper respiratory cold. When your nose runs a little bit in the winter. Under the right circumstances Iíve seen it kill people. Thatís about as permanent of damage as you can have donít you think?

Iíve never said I donít think Covid wonít kill people. Iíve never said it canít hurt you. Iíve said itís no more potent than any other virus we deal with daily. Unless you keep watching your television. Did you stay in your house the last time your nose ran in the winter for 14 days? Did you wear a mask for the better good of everyone when you had a viral cold last winter? What changed?

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Also before I hear Covid-19 is a novel virus so itís so much more dangerous. Thereís seven subtypes of human coronavirus that date back as far as 1965. They were all ďnovelĒ viruses at some point. Why didnít we shut down the country each time a new subtype was discovered since then?


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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6933702
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Don't know anyone got it or heard anyone has it, yet skyrocket new cases on news, up an up in Iowa. If true, when it gonna slow down or is it ? What go happen ? If it true, I. A target 60 an some pre existing conditions. Not lot but enough to possibly make it much worse if get it, if not already have or had it, if I felt like pitch $30, I go lab an take blood test to see if had it, can u get it twice ? Todsy another bad day for allergy sufferers, high heat index an split headache again, Monday back work, at job pay peanuts. Should been looking elsewhere, have been last 2 days an thinking apply az pt delivery driver for paperwork, big ui checks make job go back to look like joke. 2 1/2 yrs no raise, not good work close someone factory an hot, definately could be covid go in bldg, if u got wear hot mask,i won't last a few days, can't breathe

Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: WadeRyan] #6933709
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Originally Posted by WadeRyan
Also before I hear Covid-19 is a novel virus so itís so much more dangerous. Thereís seven subtypes of human coronavirus that date back as far as 1965. They were all ďnovelĒ viruses at some point. Why didnít we shut down the country each time a new subtype was discovered since then?


Because somebody back then was smart enough to do a cost benefit analysis. They figured the cost of a shutdown would be worse than losing a few lives (few: small percentage of U.S. population). Apparently the value of a life has gone up considerably.

Add another 174 to you ongoing Texas covid mortality total for the new one day tally.


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Re: Comparing Covid to Influenza [Re: Dirt] #6933725
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Whatís the percentage of lives lost to Covid-19 in the United States Dirt? Would you consider it few (few:small percentage of the United States)?

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