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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Gary Benson] #6932918
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Hmmm, so you're sitting in Idaho criticizing Israel.
So give us a history lesson how Idaho and the rest of the Uited States became settled back when. Are there differences between the settlement, civilization and statehood of Idaho ?

Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Catch22] #6932919
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Originally Posted by Catch22
What makes you think your worthy of any ones time Jerry? Dang Donner, are you gonna be able to survive the weekend knowing that Finster and Jerry don't like you? Lawwwwwww, I couldn't, I'm so glad they like me. grin


Have a new girlfriend, she used to be an actress and model, pretty sure i'll make it through the weekend alright.

Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Gary Benson] #6932921
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grin Nice.


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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Catch22] #6932922
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Originally Posted by Catch22
What makes you think your worthy of any ones time Jerry? Dang Donner, are you gonna be able to survive the weekend knowing that Finster and Jerry don't like you? Lawwwwwww, I couldn't, I'm so glad they like me. grin



Might want to read that again Catch you got it backwards.


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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6932923
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Catch22
What makes you think your worthy of any ones time Jerry? Dang Donner, are you gonna be able to survive the weekend knowing that Finster and Jerry don't like you? Lawwwwwww, I couldn't, I'm so glad they like me. grin


Have a new girlfriend, she used to be an actress and model, pretty sure i'll make it through the weekend alright.

Pfftttt! Yea, my new wallet came with that picture too.


I BELIEVE IN MY GOD, MY COUNTRY AND IN MYSELF.
Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: TraderVic] #6932924
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Originally Posted by TraderVic
Hmmm, so you're sitting in Idaho criticizing Israel.
So give us a history lesson how Idaho and the rest of the Uited States became settled back when. Are there differences between the settlement, civilization and statehood of Idaho ?



Imagine 136 million Muslims move to the U.S and declare and independent state, they take all the U.S territory except Alaska and Texas from the Americans, that is the equivalent of what the Jews did to the Palestinians. They did that with U.S dollars and Arms.

I am not advocating correcting the wrongs of previous generations, I am only advocating to discontinue support to our "greatest ally" who offers us a negative sum return on our blood and dollar investment.

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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Law Dog] #6932925
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Originally Posted by Catch22
What makes you think your worthy of any ones time Jerry? Dang Donner, are you gonna be able to survive the weekend knowing that Finster and Jerry don't like you? Lawwwwwww, I couldn't, I'm so glad they like me. grin



Might want to read that again Catch you got it backwards.

Could you explain Jerry? I have been known to get things wrong lol.


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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Gary Benson] #6932929
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Good one Finster, that'll show'em. grin


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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6932937
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Catch22
What makes you think your worthy of any ones time Jerry? Dang Donner, are you gonna be able to survive the weekend knowing that Finster and Jerry don't like you? Lawwwwwww, I couldn't, I'm so glad they like me. grin


Have a new girlfriend, she used to be an actress and model, pretty sure i'll make it through the weekend alright.

Her name is Lola.........L O L A Lola........


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Finster] #6932938
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Ya, i'm the jerk for pointing out false Israeli intelligence is what lead to the Iraq war, a war that screwed up some of my buddies who were sent to fight in it.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/feb/04/iraq.israel

I'm the jerk for reminding everyone that Israel attacked an American ship in international waters killing 34 U.S servicemen
https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html

I'm the jerk for pointing out Israel has repeatedly gained territory through military conquest. Forget the fact we have sanctions on Russia for annexing part of Ukraine.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/7065...s-israeli-sovereignty-over-golan-heights

What has Israel done for us? What makes them our greatest ally? If i'm a jerk for pointing out they use us like a gold digger sinking her claws into Grandpa then I guess that's a title I can live with.

However, to get more towards your point.
1. Israel was not the only intelligence agency, in fact, far from it that had doubts about Iraq's WMD's In fact, it is still not 100% known that they didn't have WMD's. There were multipul reports that WMD's were shipped to Syria when or shortly before the war started.
https://pjmedia.com/blog/ryan-mauro...mony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria-n13439
https://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/

2. The attack of the our warship was an accident of friendly fire during the 6 day war. Hardly an attack against the United States. It doesn't even make sense since we were about the only real support that Israel had at that time. There is no real evidence that it was anything but a mistake no matter how much hearsay is posted about it from a liberal rag of a newspaper. Much like the WMD's, there is zero evidence either way.

3. Israel took the Golan Heights as part of the 6 day war. A war that they didn't start. A war that they saw coming and were smart enough to make a first strike. In fact, I believe they had taken that territory and given it back several times trying to make peace only to have attacks originate from there once again although I would need fact checked on that one.

So what else ya got?

You are totally incorrect about your #2. It was NOT a case of friendly fire. I was stationed in Turkey and did the exact same job as those guys on the USS Liberty. Israel fired on that ship and tried to sink it because it was a US Navy ship doing electronic intelligence gathering and Israel did not want the world to know how far they had entered Egypt at that point.
The Israel navy was close enough that they were firing machine guns strafing the deck with the Stars and Stripes flying. That ship was ordered back to the states and the sailors were not allowed to talk about it for years.
Gary former US Army Security Agency morse code intercept operator

Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Gary Benson] #6932941
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor


Have a new girlfriend, she used to be an actress and model, pretty sure i'll make it through the weekend alright.

Her name is Lola.........L O L A Lola........


Havent gotten that far yet but uhhh, no.

Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Gary Benson] #6932942
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Two groups of people fighting over religion and lands that’s unheard of never happened before it’s a good thing England and the Native Americans just gave us this land.


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Donner, does she have a sister?


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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6932952
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by TraderVic
Hmmm, so you're sitting in Idaho criticizing Israel.
So give us a history lesson how Idaho and the rest of the Uited States became settled back when. Are there differences between the settlement, civilization and statehood of Idaho ?



Imagine 136 million Muslims move to the U.S and declare and independent state, they take all the U.S territory except Alaska and Texas from the Americans, that is the equivalent of what the Jews did to the Palestinians. They did that with U.S dollars and Arms.

I am not advocating correcting the wrongs of previous generations, I am only advocating to discontinue support to our "greatest ally" who offers us a negative sum return on our blood and dollar investment.


Good post. I agree.

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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Gary Benson] #6932956
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Hasn't Israel and Palestine been fighting for about a million years?


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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire [Re: Steven 49er] #6932960
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Donner, does she have a sister?

yes, met her and her sister at the bar, sister is good looking but made it clear she was not single. Cabin girls who come up here on the weekends, probably not wife material if I had to guess but... ya know, good time ahead.

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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Hasn't Israel and Palestine been fighting for about a million years?

If the biblical accounts are accurate I suppose the Jews have been attempting Genocide in the Palestine area for about a million years.

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Originally Posted by gary j

You are totally incorrect about your #2. It was NOT a case of friendly fire. I was stationed in Turkey and did the exact same job as those guys on the USS Liberty. Israel fired on that ship and tried to sink it because it was a US Navy ship doing electronic intelligence gathering and Israel did not want the world to know how far they had entered Egypt at that point.
The Israel navy was close enough that they were firing machine guns strafing the deck with the Stars and Stripes flying. That ship was ordered back to the states and the sailors were not allowed to talk about it for years.
Gary former US Army Security Agency morse code intercept operator


Hard to follow that up. Reading personal accounts of crew members of the Liberty they seem to have the same beliefs about the situation you have.

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I was reading the comments in this thread from the back to the front as I usually do, and trying to figure out why people were fighting each other this time. For some reason, Americans jump to taking sides. It does not matter if both are evil or good, they will take sides, and then go to extremes in defending their choice.
As Obamas BLM and Soros' ANTIFA are in process tearing down George Washington, it is fitting to remember that George Washington had only one side, "The American Side". He warned of all foreign intrigue as the cost was too high.

I wonder how many people here actually read beyond the stories posted as they defend their chosen side. It matters as Victor Ostrovksy was a Mosaad whistle blower and what he revealed was Tel Aviv was mass dumping narcotics through Panama into the United States.He stated that they were all taught that Jews had no friends, including Americans and they were to use any means necessary. The most secret intelligence wing at the Academy is the AI branch of Mosaad operating their American Intelligence wing inside America.
On the flip side is the Sunni Saud family, who own most banking in America, including Citibank, which is over extended to American shale, which is about to go bankrupt by design which will ruin America.
As far as Iran, the Persians, their communist regime of Baathists, were British schooled. The fact is Saudi Arabia funded the Pakistani nuclear project so Saudi Arabia has nuclear weapons. The Shia of Iran worked with the North Koreas who have nuclear bombs, so Iran has nuclear warheads. Tel Aviv has their own arsenal after John Kennedy was shot, in he would not sell Tel Aviv nuclear material, but it is the first thing Lyndon Johnson did. Iran has been hit hard by Coronavirus. The sanctions the United States have initiated are crippling that nation further. For those who cheer this, put yourself into Iran's position, in they are currently having waves of destruction. The Jewish media is posting that it is their doing. Whoever is doing it does not matter, because Iran is going to blame three nations, America, Saudi Arabia and the State which calls itself Israel.
Iran is already terrorizing Saudi Arabia out of Yemen. It would be not logical to strike nuclear Tel Aviv. That leaves Iran's logical retaliation being the United States.

There is only one question in this and that is, "Do you want to die for what is taking place in Iran?" George Washington warned every American that he would not die for things like this or have Americans killed for things like this. When you as an American will die, there is not one person in any of these lands who is going to care about you, and in that reality, it would be advisable to stop choosing these people's sides, and contemplate what is best for America.

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You guys must be youngsters and can't remember why Israel retained the Golan Heights after the 6 day war that the arab countries started. The heights were used as a base to rain rockets down on Israeli settlements, you know the military high ground. This was going on before the war started,
no country in there right mind would give back that ground to their enemy that swore the goal was to wipe them of the face of the earth.

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