Re: Pole Barns
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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07/22/20 07:39 AM
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I would put at lease one row of blocks , then go with standard lumber, yes frost can move poles , put steel on out side Guessing you're suggesting a poured frost wall (4+ ft deep), then frame from the wall up ?
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Re: Pole Barns
[Re: Eagleye]
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07/22/20 08:14 AM
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I’m not sure what size you want but maybe look at Capitol Steel buildings down in OK. They outbid all the people you mentioned delivered and put up. They do the concrete engineering and tell you what to have ready for them. We took them on for large storage units we are adding to a couple of sites. They are totally steel, no wood to rot. Checked out other buildings they’ve done and a site we purchased has one already, good buildings for sure.
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Re: Pole Barns
[Re: Eagleye]
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07/22/20 08:36 AM
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I just built one with an amish crew from the local lumbar yard using posts. 40x64x14 My second one I've built actually b/c I just moved to a new house. You'd be suprised at how large a barn has to be to get everything inside of it and still have room to move around. Everyone says go twice as big as you think and it sounds ridiculous but it honestly isn't too far off. Concrete is expensive. My last barn was just 304 but I did concrete this time.
My advice is to sketch it out on some graph paper. 1 foot = 1 square. Draw in your camper, utility trailer, work bench, lawn mower, tractor, truck, fur area.
Draw in the doors and picture how your going to get things in an out of the barn. i.e. add sliders on the sides so you can get your lawn mower in and out without having to move a truck or a camper.
My advice is to get a slider on the end of the barn so you get the full height. On the side of the barn you loose the header height in the door opening.
So anyway say the end of your barn is 40'. I'd make a 20' slider and fit the widest garage door in next to that then have a man door on the next wall right on that corner.
I didn't pour my concrete flat. We dug around the perimeter so it was fat on the edges. I really liked that idea. It should hold up well.
I added a porch on the side of mine. If I had it to do over I'd raise the porch up, went the whole length of the barn, and the slider on the side would have been under that.
Hopefully that helps.
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Re: Pole Barns
[Re: Eagleye]
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07/22/20 08:55 AM
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Planning it out like Ohio Boy recommended would be good. If your soil isnt a good candidate for posts sunken in but is fine for a slab you can use another trick that works good. Substitute 3 2x6s for each post. Lash them together with bolts and cut the middle one the right height to set the end of a truss in then bolt it as well with the outside 2x6s then cut them to match the angle of the truss. At the outside corners, you can set each truss on the end wall side by making the outside 2x6 the perch.
This can all be lashed to your slab with brackets and heavy concrete screws making it much more resistant to any type of structural failure than a standard pole frame bldg.
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Re: Pole Barns
[Re: Eagleye]
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07/22/20 09:16 AM
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For the most part it's been great. Our neighbor is a builder and put up the shell, I did all interior work, wiring, plumbing etc. Getting outside wall runs perfect for sheetrock was a challenge, one pole on the n side of our house has warped slightly and cause a seem bulge right next to the dinner table. Wiring and plumbing was much more difficult in my opinion over standard stud wall, but can be overcome if you plan for it. I'd recommend working with a builder who is familiar with pole framed houses and not just barns, if you work with a builder.
All in all, it was the least way we could have gotten a quality, legal house up on our land.
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Re: Pole Barns
[Re: Eagleye]
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07/22/20 10:12 AM
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Thinking of building a new toy box with a cement floor and I have a couple of questions:
Is there an advantage, beyond warranty to go with brand name, i.e.; Cleary or Morton? We have several Amish and Mennonite builders in our area that construct steel buildings. Also- many people I talk to recommend not putting poles into the ground because they heave in heavy frost areas. Recommend mounting to the slab… any thoughts?
I priced Morton building when I was building my home. They were way over priced. I saved 50 grand buy having the Mennonites build it, and me finishing it out.
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Re: Pole Barns
[Re: Eagleye]
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07/22/20 04:47 PM
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Figure out how much space you NEED, add 25% and double that, and it doesn't cost much more to go up 1-1/2, or 2 stories.
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Re: Pole Barns
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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07/22/20 06:42 PM
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no frost wall a floating slab 12-12 inch footing , he said he is pouring a cement floor , For god sakes. You pour concrete not cement. Cement is an ingredient in concrete JT
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