I don't understand
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07/23/20 10:33 AM
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danny clifton
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L.E. are ignoring rioters supposedly because mayors tell them too. How is it that a mayor has the authority to sanction lawlessness? If L.E. ignore stand down orders can they be fired, lose pensions etc. for enforcing the law? Why are birds of a feather who flock together not being shot when assault theft and arson occurs? People are charged with murder if they break into a home with an accomplice and the homeowner kills one. Running away may save their life but they get real serious time just for flocking together. Needs to be that way with rioters. https://www.foxnews.com/media/colorado-lawmaker-antifa-attack-back-blue-rally
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 10:47 AM
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Gary Benson
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Where I came from, city council members make the decisions, then the mayor acts as MC and carries out the city council's decisions. The mayor doesn't even vote, except to break a tie. I think all these mayors think they are God, but the position is already filled.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 10:48 AM
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ky_coyote_hunter
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It all boils down to who is in control.....It's not the government that we see pulling the strings, I can most definitely tell you that.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 10:49 AM
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Leftlane
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We all talk about draining the swamp in DC but it looks like it has spread to a whole lot of other places if you ask me.
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 10:51 AM
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danny clifton
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What I dont understand is why L.E. doesn't ignore them
things have sure escalated on the don't enforce front ever since they quit arresting gas drive offs and investigating burglary
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 10:52 AM
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What I dont understand is why L.E. doesn't ignore them Fear, pure and simple....Someone has got to them.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 11:07 AM
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in most cities the Police chief reports directly to the Mayor.
city council can make ordinance and can effect budget but the chief still reports to the Mayor.
Chief wants to keep his job , he does what the mayor says if the Mayor and the city council are saying the same thing , the Chief can't really do anything other unless it us unlawful or unconstitutional and he can take it to a higher agency like the sheriff.
this is why we have seen Cheifs submit their resignation over this stuff. the media doesn't dwell on it but it has happened , it happened in Madison WI.
when the Mayor , the city council the elected sheriff , the state police and the governor and assembly are all saying the same thing sit on your hands, get a box of doughnuts and catch up on paper work at he station while they get their heads out of the sand.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 11:16 AM
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If the mayor, the city council, the elected sheriff, and the state police, governor and assembly are all saying the same thing "complicit".... Who do you think orchestrated that?
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: Getting There]
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07/23/20 11:34 AM
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Because John Doe public allows it! JMO Lots of truth in that statement unfortunately. People with common sense are afraid of being "labeled" by the left so they just dont say or do anything. In my opinion that is a huge mistake and a big part of the reason we are where we are today. Trump coming into office was like a breathe of fresh air in that regard. He simply says what he thinks. I thought that would empower more people do the same and stand up to all this nonsense but that hasn't really transpired in many places. People are just to afraid of the left wing loonies and the publicity they might get if they say or do something those clowns dont like. Time to man up and publicly tell those folks just how crazy they are imo. BTW I think the same thing is happening to hunting/trapping. More trappers and hunters need to be willing to step up to the plate and push back, hard.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 11:43 AM
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Law enforcement follows orders because the most important thing to most folks today is $ and retirement income.
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: Gary Benson]
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07/23/20 11:46 AM
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Where I came from, city council members make the decisions, then the mayor acts as MC and carries out the city council's decisions. The mayor doesn't even vote, except to break a tie. I think all these mayors think they are God, but the position is already filled. Sounds like you are describing the mayor in Portland, OR.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: danny clifton]
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07/23/20 11:48 AM
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What I dont understand is why L.E. doesn't ignore them
things have sure escalated on the don't enforce front ever since they quit arresting gas drive offs and investigating burglary Are you willing to put everything you are or ever hope to be, including your family, on the line knowing everyone uphill from you will throw you under the bus? While I share your frustration I don't for a minute blame them. Were I a sworn officer I would have long ago given the four finger salute and walked away.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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07/23/20 11:55 AM
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in most cities the Police chief reports directly to the Mayor.
city council can make ordinance and can effect budget but the chief still reports to the Mayor.
Chief wants to keep his job , he does what the mayor says if the Mayor and the city council are saying the same thing , the Chief can't really do anything other unless it us unlawful or unconstitutional and he can take it to a higher agency like the sheriff.
this is why we have seen Cheifs submit their resignation over this stuff. the media doesn't dwell on it but it has happened , it happened in Madison WI.
when the Mayor , the city council the elected sheriff , the state police and the governor and assembly are all saying the same thing sit on your hands, get a box of doughnuts and catch up on paper work at he station while they get their heads out of the sand.
There have been cops in Mpls that have given their resignations. Some have filed for PTSD as well. Cops are being treated as the enemy by the Mpls city counsel, the mayor, and the governor. All their support is for the protesters.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: warrior]
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07/23/20 12:18 PM
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Leftlane
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Besides if true law enforcement was to resume many of these officers would be having to arrest entire sitting governments. x2
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: I don't understand
[Re: Marty]
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07/23/20 01:42 PM
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Yes sir
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Law enforcement follows orders because the most important thing to most folks today is $ and retirement income. That there will be the choice when the rubber meets the road, do you choose frredom and risk your material things or give up your freedom to hold on to your $ and property (which you will lose right after they take away your constitutional rights)
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