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***Montana Setback Comments Needed by 7/25 Please #6926027
07/10/20 02:16 PM
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As many people as possible, please send the set-back comments encouraged below:

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Sportspersons Alert:

At the June 25, 2020 MTFWP Commission meeting, during the portion of the meeting dealing
with swift fox trapping season and boundary changes, the subject of trapping setbacks on
excepted roads and trails became a main topic of discussion. While trapping setbacks on
excepted roads and trails was not listed as a part of the Commission motion to change the
swift fox trapping season and boundary; Becky Dockter, FWP legal counsel, opined that the
motion was written broadly and the Commission could accept public comment on installing
trapping setbacks on excepted roads and act on such, at the August 13, 2020 FWP
Commission meeting.

I have spoken with Vice Chair Stuker and it is imperative that the Commission hear your
voice – they will definitely be bombarded with comments from the anti-trapping community.

Comments need to be phoned in or sent prior to July 25th.

Please - by phone 406-444-7826; letter (MTFWP Commission – PO Box 200701 – Helena
MT 59620-0701) or email fwcomm@mt.gov send a message to the Commission asking that:
 Any motion, at the August meeting, dealing with imposing trapping setbacks on
excepted roads and trails have a one year sunset clause.
 Any motion, at the August meeting, dealing with imposing setbacks on excepted roads
or trails be put out for public comment and then voted on at the December meeting.
 That no final action on imposing trapping setbacks on excepted roads or trails be
taken at the August meeting.
 The Commission let the Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks plan for identifying
where trapping setbacks apply, play out in a manner which will allow all land managers
and users to have an equal voice in determining where the trapping setbacks will be
applied.


It’s “Game Time” - the Commission needs to hear from you! Now and at the August meeting.
If nothing changes, the meeting will once again be a virtual meeting where you will not have
to be in Helena or at a Regional Office, you can watch the meeting via video link and
comment via phone.

Instructions will be on the MTFWP website as the date nears – if it turns out to be an in-
person meeting, I’ll see you there.

Jim Buell
MTA President
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Thank you!
David


David
Re: ***Montana Setback Comments Needed by 7/25 Please [Re: DavidInMT] #6926561
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Re: ***Montana Setback Comments Needed by 7/25 Please [Re: dustytinner] #6926707
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Thank you, Dusty!


David
Re: ***Montana Setback Comments Needed by 7/25 Please [Re: DavidInMT] #6926749
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Davidmt. Let Jim know they for some reason do not like phone calls and was told to email them made it sound like unless they were emails there not keeping track.
Sent email today


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Thank you for the info, Red, and for sending the e-mail too. I will e-mail Jim with that update!

David


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Thank you, woodchip and mttrapperguy.


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Re: ***Montana Setback Comments Needed by 7/25 Please [Re: DavidInMT] #6940436
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One of the last days to send an e-mail, to help out. Here is a sample e-mail to cut-and-paste, and send to fwcomm@mt.gov. Please and thank you, everyone!


Dear Commissioners,

Once again, the anti-trap, non-consumptive user groups are forcing the Commission to look at a solution in search of a problem.
Regarding the issue of setbacks in areas where city people and their unleashed/uncontrolled domestic pets interfere and conflict with legal trapping activities, there are already “trap free zones”. No other zones or areas restricted by “setbacks” are needed, as evidenced by the lack of statistically significant incidents that would indicate a need for trapping setbacks. The trappers were here first and city dwellers need to understand that they need to work around the trappers activities.
The recommendations made by the “Montana Backcountry Alliance” are unwarranted and not substantiated by any data that would support closures/setbacks on these 30+ areas. The number of domestic animals unintentionally caught in traps is statistically insignificant and children on skis are probably not going to be caught in a foothold trap.
Recent transplants to Montana and recreationists must get used to the idea of traps being present on the public landscape and adjust accordingly, just as the anti-consumer groups think that ranchers are supposed to get used to the idea of a certain amount of livestock losses to wolves and predators.
Having said that, I would leave it up to the anti-conservation/anti-trap groups such as Montana Backcountry Alliance, Trap Free Montana, Wolves of the Rockies, Footloose Montana, Montanans for Trap Free Public Lands, Defenders of Wildlife and the Humane Society to pool their resources and provide substantial public education so that the general public is aware of trapping activities and the benefits of trapping on public land. Let's see them put their money where their mouths are rather than infringing on trapping activities.
One issue that hasn't been mentioned yet is the hypocrisy (again) of the anti-trap/animal rights community. They claim trapping set backs are needed because the traps “might” capture dogs and cats. This is a clear admission that these pets are roaming through the woods unsupervised and in violation of any leash laws that certain municipalities have enacted. Importantly, what is neglected to be recognized is the effect these pets have on native species. What also is neglected to be recognized is that the actions of irresponsible pet owners could indeed lead to the enactment of a statewide leash law - bird hunters and their hunting dogs, anyone?
The entire issue of trapping setbacks are coming from anti-trapping groups based out of the western part of the state, specifically in the Bitterroot Valley and Missoula, and these factions shouldn't dictate what happens for their County, let alone the entire state of Montana.
And Commissioners, for your consideration, as far as the anti's respecting trappers viewpoints for example, I don't particularly relish the idea of having a job or a career working in the sewers, or working as a caregiver, but I respect those that do. And though the non-consumers don't relish the idea of trapping sustainable furbearers and predators, they should respect those that do trap.

Given these circumstances, I am respectfully requesting that the Commission:
1. Impose a one year Sunset Clause for any motion dealing with trapping setbacks on excepted roads and trails made at the August meeting;
2. Put out for Public Comment any motion at the August meeting that deals with imposing setbacks on excepted roads and trails and then vote on this motion at the December meeting;
3. Take no final action on imposing trapping setbacks on excepted roads or trails at the August meeting;
4. Let the Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks plan for identifying where trapping setbacks apply and play out in a manner which will allow all land managers and historical users, trappers, to have an equal voice in determining where the trapping setbacks will be applied.

Thank you for your consideration on this important issue.

Respectfully,


David
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Email cut pasted and sent


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Thank you, B. Shope!


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