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Does American law allow for moral violence? #6940957
07/24/20 12:02 PM
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And should it? Self defense is legal, in extreme cases though with a boat load of other consequences.

Why can't I beat a child molester senseless? If I saw it happen, there isn't a law in the world that would stop me. I would very well be charged with battery, assault or attempted homicide.

American "justice" has become toothless. How do we get the teeth back?

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6940958
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Here in KS it is legal to come to the defense of another. It is unlikely you would be prosecuted here and even more unlikely a jury would unanimously find you guilty.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6940961
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The state has a monopoly on violence, when the state no longer uses its monopoly on violence to protect you and pursue justice then you have the not only the moral right but obligation to seek justice for yourself. Realize if you are caught extracting your own justice the state will use violence against you and from a legal standpoint they will be correct in doing so.

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941032
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Defense of self and others is always a personal moral obligation. Punishment for crimes already committed is rightfully the obligation of the state and not within the right of an individual.

If the state doesn't take care of it like they should.... "Vengeance is MINE, sayeth the LORD. I will repay".

I'm confident that the rider on the white horse, wearing robes drenched in the blood of his enemies, can settle the score far better than I could ever dream of doing.


What from Christ that soul can sever,
Bound by everlasting bands?
None shall take thee
From the Strength of Israel's hands.

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941043
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I am obligated to defend my life, liberty and the pursuit of my happiness. These are my God given rights. I will not kneel.


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Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941052
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Problem is it is only something you allegedly saw until the person is convicted. Not saying I wouldn't do the same but it could result in charges against you for your actions.


Wish I had more time to trap....
Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: strike2x] #6941054
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Originally Posted by strike2x
Problem is it is only something you allegedly saw until the person is convicted. Not saying I wouldn't do the same but it could result in charges against you for your actions.


How would or why should that be different than I "allegedly" saw a man draw a knife on me and I shoot him in self defense?

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941059
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Now here are a couple of folks who do not deserve "due process" IMO.


https://thepatriotsreport.com/2020/...atter-to-kill-white-baby-in-viral-photo/


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Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941062
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Originally Posted by k snow
And should it? Self defense is legal, in extreme cases though with a boat load of other consequences.

Why can't I beat a child molester senseless? If I saw it happen, there isn't a law in the world that would stop me. I would very well be charged with battery, assault or attempted homicide.

American "justice" has become toothless. How do we get the teeth back?


I would dish out the beating and take my chances with a jury on that one.

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: white17] #6941065
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Originally Posted by white17
Now here are a couple of folks who do not deserve "due process" IMO.


https://thepatriotsreport.com/2020/...atter-to-kill-white-baby-in-viral-photo/


Exactly. Does our federal law allow someone to kill the man in that photo?

Or the man recently convicted of 64 counts of child sexual abuse that plead down to 1 year of time served? He should be nothing more than a blood stain in the grass.

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: Blaine County] #6941099
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by k snow
And should it? Self defense is legal, in extreme cases though with a boat load of other consequences.

Why can't I beat a child molester senseless? If I saw it happen, there isn't a law in the world that would stop me. I would very well be charged with battery, assault or attempted homicide.

American "justice" has become toothless. How do we get the teeth back?


I would dish out the beating and take my chances with a jury on that one.

X1000

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941107
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Ain't for you to say, it's for you, how you vote and we are getting out voted by the absolute dumbest weirdest people on earth that can't take a minute and look up to see how things are being played out on the world stage. People, Citizens are actually putting people in office who appoint Judges and DA's and such in place to make way for craziness. My Gpa, in the 60's said that if ever a man violated a youngin we put him in a coal shed, his tallywhacker in a vise and we handed him a dull knife, then we set fire to the coal shed. He then had a choice, did he not?

I do disagree with white. No matter, here, we have the right to due process. No matter what!


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941423
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From the good book.... wink


Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings (The Lord of the Rings, #1-3)


Who is John Galt?

You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941434
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Some people just need kill'en...the problem with most is social media. Just do it and feed’em to the hogs. Don’t have to post or ask about everything you do. People disappear all the time. Most just figure either they ran off or wronged the wrong person. Names are forgotten after a few weeks and life goes on. You ever make the mistake of not doing what needs done and it’ll haunt you. After that you won’t think twice. What’s the old Nike motto...Just do it.

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941461
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Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: white17] #6941465
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Originally Posted by white17
Now here are a couple of folks who do not deserve "due process" IMO.


https://thepatriotsreport.com/2020/...atter-to-kill-white-baby-in-viral-photo/


Yowsers, thats pure evil right there. Those two need a long drawn out process with a dull knife...


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Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941471
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Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: Leftlane] #6941473
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
So SSS? grin

Too lazy to dig...keep tabs on a sounder of pigs and slather with that 5 gallon bucket of molasses. Gone in just a day or two. Old wells are good “hiding” spots as well. Most WMA’s have old homesites and all have hogs.

Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941487
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Re: Does American law allow for moral violence? [Re: k snow] #6941491
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American "justice" has become toothless. How do we get the teeth back?


Vote for candidates of the party that supports American values and that puts American citizens ahead of their own desire for political power.

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