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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: danny clifton] #6943122
07/26/20 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Liberals WANT to destroy the bill of rights. They are upset that conservatives do not. Liberals do not see themselves as wanting to save it.



This was the editorial that got me thinking. This was posted by Pete's very liberal sister. Read this. Then, if you replace "Mr. Trump" with "liberals" it sounds as if it could be written by any one of us. So I guess I just started thinking that both sides want what they think is best for America, but that those two ideologies are as far apart as the North and South Pole.

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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: ] #6943128
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Originally Posted by Trap_Hunt_Fish
If Biden gets elected can I get on subsidy and get free stuff too


Yes. Especially if you are an illegal transgendered person of color.

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943130
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THAT liberal may well want to defend free speech, the right to worship and assemble, the right to be armed. It looks to me like most do not.

I am unaware of anything in the constitution that says government can not take by force from one individual and give to another individual through use of tax. That to me defines liberalism. Take money by force from the person who earned it, and give that money to someone who has not.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: danny clifton] #6943131
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
No one is forcing to me to take it but I was forced to pay in to it.

Just pointing out we are already a socialist country.


So you are getting return on your investment, not suckling. There is a difference.


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: danny clifton] #6943135
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
THAT liberal may well want to defend free speech, the right to worship and assemble, the right to be armed. It looks to me like most do not.

I am unaware of anything in the constitution that says government can not take by force from one individual and give to another individual through use of tax. That to me defines liberalism. Take money by force from the person who earned it, and give that money to someone who has not.


Liberals will be loving and charitable when the government makes everybody else be loving and charitable. lol


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: trapdog1] #6943139
07/26/20 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Trap_Hunt_Fish
If Biden gets elected can I get on subsidy and get free stuff too


Yes. Especially if you are an illegal transgendered person of color.


LOL

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943158
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How about we aim for the middle then? And figure out how to get along. I’m not even going to address the fact that there’s discussion of shooting up half our population in the attempt to restructure our social programs. Ludicrous. Whoever is pulling the strings has you jumping to their tune the same as the left. Mirror images of the same kind of ignorance.

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We should all be able to get along just fine as long as I keep paying for someone else’s roof, food and illegitimate children

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: Co�s] #6943182
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Originally Posted by Coös
How about we aim for the middle then? And figure out how to get along. I’m not even going to address the fact that there’s discussion of shooting up half our population in the attempt to restructure our social programs. Ludicrous. Whoever is pulling the strings has you jumping to their tune the same as the left. Mirror images of the same kind of ignorance.


I used to think that was possible but I sure can't see it anymore.


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943193
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The left has stretched their end so far in the past 6 months that, yes, the middle is no longer acceptable compromise for a free yet lawful, democratic society

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: ] #6943196
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Originally Posted by Trap_Hunt_Fish
The left has stretched their end so far in the past 6 months that, yes, the middle is no longer acceptable compromise for a free yet lawful, democratic society

Very True


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943210
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I always thought there was just a right and a wrong. In the U.S., the Constitution is supposed to define this right/wrong for our governance. There is no middle ground anymore because we no longer legislate nor judge by the limitations set forth by the Constitution.. The only thing the middle does is compromise away the very document that defines what is right or wrong.


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Originally Posted by J Staton
I always thought there was just a right and a wrong. In the U.S., the Constitution is supposed to define this right/wrong for our governance. There is no middle ground anymore because we no longer legislate nor judge by the limitations set forth by the Constitution.. The only thing the middle does is compromise away the very document that defines what is right or wrong.


The middle ground is trust that Americans will do the right thing. Government should be reserved to manage the exception.

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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: ] #6943226
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Originally Posted by Trap_Hunt_Fish
We should all be able to get along just fine as long as I keep paying for someone else’s roof, food and illegitimate children


I’d rather we address these problems by increasing minimum wage, access to education, access to birth control and safe abortions, than through violent “revolution “.

So, will you kill me on your constitutional jihad?

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Most of my family feels the same way, you going to kill them too? I want to know what I’m in for here.

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: Co�s] #6943229
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Originally Posted by Coös
Originally Posted by Trap_Hunt_Fish
We should all be able to get along just fine as long as I keep paying for someone else’s roof, food and illegitimate children


I’d rather we address these problems by increasing minimum wage, access to education, access to birth control and safe abortions, than through violent “revolution “.

So, will you kill me on your constitutional jihad?


Sounds great, but those have been democrat talking points since the beginning of time. Hasn't changed a thing.

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943241
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I’d rather we address these problems by increasing minimum wage, access to education, access to birth control and safe abortions, than through violent “revolution “.


All that stuff is available now. If you don't like earning 7 bucks an hour then don't work at McDonalds. Birth control is available at walmart. Abortion clinics are in every state. Say what you mean. You expect responsible people to pay for others irresponsibility.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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I’d rather we address these problems by increasing minimum wage, access to education, access to birth control and safe abortions, than through violent “revolution “.


All that stuff is available now. If you don't like earning 7 bucks an hour then don't work at McDonalds. Birth control is available at walmart. Abortion clinics are in every state. Say what you mean. You expect responsible people to pay for others irresponsibility.


By suggesting ways we might lessen the “need” to pay for those things?

Say what you mean, that you think shooting up the country is going to fix these things. And answer my question, are you going to kill me and my family?

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943259
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Come on folks you and I both know it is never going to change. I am a lot older than most on here and these are the same things people talked and fought about when I was a kid. The only difference is it has gotten worse for all the talk and each side has dug in to their way of thinking as the only way.

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By suggesting ways we might lessen the “need” to pay for those things?


There is no "need" for anybody to pay for those things except by the people who want them

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Say what you mean, that you think shooting up the country is going to fix these things. And answer my question, are you going to kill me and my family?


Only if you do like the blm in St Louis. Show up here and tell me your taking my home Coos. I am fed up with socialism. I won't tolerate communism.


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