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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: walleyed] #6899104
06/14/20 08:18 AM
06/14/20 08:18 AM
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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: walleyed] #6901095
06/16/20 12:49 PM
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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: walleyed] #6944684
07/27/20 06:26 PM
07/27/20 06:26 PM
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The comment period for the NYS Register for regulations and rules changes

to the mink/muskrat season ends on August 3rd, 2020.

Northern Zone muskrat trappers will lose a week of Muskrat trapping opportunity

on the front of the season for no legitimate wildlife management goal, or sound

scientific reason except for convenience for law enforcement if this proposal is adopted.

Get your comments in or lose a week's worth of trapping opportunity

that we will never get back.

Comment at wildliferegs@dec.ny.gov

To read the proposed rule/regulation change check in the NYS register for June 3rd, 2020.

Proposed Rule Making

No Hearing(s) Scheduled

Amendments to the New York State mink, muskrat, and beaver season trapping season dates.

I.D. No. ENV-22-20-00004-P

60 day comment period expires August 3rd, 2020.

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Last edited by walleyed; 07/30/20 07:28 AM.

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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6944691
07/27/20 06:32 PM
07/27/20 06:32 PM
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That stinks for you guys. I am glad we gain 2 weeks here in the Finger Lakes, but there is no reason to take a week from you.

Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6944694
07/27/20 06:38 PM
07/27/20 06:38 PM
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Little Valley, NY
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What is NYSTA's stance on it?

Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Sawmill Creek] #6944703
07/27/20 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sawmill Creek
What is NYSTA's stance on it?



Nobody knows.

Except the B.O.D. of NYSTA.

You are only allowed to know as a dues paying member
what the NYSTA stance is if you attend the B.O.D. meeting.

Otherwise, you are subject to an information black out.

There was plenty of opportunity for various officials to inform

me personally about the rule change, but the JTI Chair and
several B.O.D. never said a word about it to me because
they knew I would be against losing a week's worth of Rat season
and would make noise about it.

I work weekends, every weekend and cannot attend the B.O.D.

meeting but still,NYSTA should have informed the membership

in some way.

They did not, and did not represent trappers in 6G and 7A

who will be most negatively affected by this.

Had I known this specific rule change was coming, I would
have been A.W.O.L from work and attended.

It stinks for sure.

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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: walleyed] #6945294
07/28/20 10:34 AM
07/28/20 10:34 AM
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Just six more days to comment on this proposal.

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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6945309
07/28/20 10:54 AM
07/28/20 10:54 AM
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Tug Hill, NY
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Bob, did you ever find out the NYSTA's position is on this season change, specifically the change along the eastern shore of Lake Ontario??


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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6945368
07/28/20 12:02 PM
07/28/20 12:02 PM
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If you read the NYS Trappers Forum (not NYSTA) there is more info about this topic

Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6945375
07/28/20 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Redknot
Bob, did you ever find out the NYSTA's position is on this season change, specifically the change along the eastern shore of Lake Ontario??



Nope,

Never got a call back from Rockwood, the JTI chair and It's been all:

"Come to the board of Director's meeting if you want to know what's going on".

We don't have a NYSTA news letter anymore, inoperable website, information blackout,
and no answers to phone calls.

I'd be willing to bet the B.O.D. wanted to slip this one by without any comment
from the general membership.

I saw plenty of NYSTA brass over the last six months and no heads up from anyone.

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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: walleyed] #6945427
07/28/20 01:43 PM
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NYS Northern Zone Muskrat trappers might
want to give Senator Pattie Richie or her staffers
a call at her Watertown N.Y. office If you want to
lobby her against this rule change where we lose
a week of Muskrat Trapping off the front end of our
season that we will NEVER get back.

Call her at (315) 782-3418.

Be polite, concise, and accurate.

If you vote republican in every election,
let her know that too.

Tell her we need her help with DEC, Bureau of Wildlife.

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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6945472
07/28/20 02:59 PM
07/28/20 02:59 PM
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Tug Hill, NY
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Thanks for the suggestion...I just sent her office an email...

I hope trappers will still send comments to the DEC email, because DEC WILL tell State Reps that they have heard no negative comments regarding the changes if they (DEC) have not heard from trappers...

So please send a quick note to: wildliferegs@dec.ny.gov.

It can be as short as "do not change muskrat/mink season start dates in in wildlife management units 6G and 7A ."





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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6946099
07/29/20 07:16 AM
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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6946223
07/29/20 09:44 AM
07/29/20 09:44 AM
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I called yesterday. They were very cordial.

Hope it helps.

Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6946249
07/29/20 10:19 AM
07/29/20 10:19 AM
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I can certainly understand Walleyed's upsetment with his proposed rat season..In the past I have been very vocal about the changes and shortening of the Adirondack fisher season.Frankly,I have become quite disappointed with the thinking of a number of the DEC biologists and managers.I believe season changes should have direct input from trappers in affected units and I do not see that line of communication happening.
I have been a NYSTA member since the 1960's, the Piseco conventions. It troubles me to see what it has now become. My biggest beef has fallen on deaf ears; the lack of communication to the membership. Members should not have to go to a BOD meeting to learn what is going on.. The newsletter was discontinued because of cost and frequently there is no new York news in the Trappers Post..Back years ago Officers and Directors were supposed to put news in the trapping newspaper, but that now has slid `by the boards`.We now have most officers and directors NOT doing their job. There is NO feedback to the membership. We used to have the Director of the bureau of wildlife along with the director of the bureau of law enforcement attend every director's meeting. Today you are lucky to get any DEC representation at all. At the last Director's meeting that I attended the DEC rep complained that she had to get up at 5AM to make the meeting.
In my region the wildlife manager is strictly a 9 to 5, Monday to Friday person. He has failed to show up at numerous meetings and shows if they are on a Saturday.
NYSTA was once a most respected conservation type organization.Not any more.
Personalities have come into play and because of that we have lost some very good members. How much has gossip played into everything?How many years since the treasurer stole that money and still no resolution, only excuses.Why are we paying a lawyer with no results?
The website has been a failure from the beginning.
Now, members are expected to pay their dues, get the subscription to the Trapper's Post, support the lobbyist, but get absolutely no feedback. SOMEONE HAD BETTER WAKE UP !

Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6946253
07/29/20 10:27 AM
07/29/20 10:27 AM
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A vey wise friend, Frenchie, once said to me; "Never give up a season, because you will never get it back". How true! The Catskill-Mohawk Valley otter season is a prime example.

Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Fisher Man] #6946257
07/29/20 10:31 AM
07/29/20 10:31 AM
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Walleyed. I sent an email hope it helps, I'm in 9G and wouldn't want them taking any of my season away.
Originally Posted by Fisher Man
I can certainly understand Walleyed's upsetment with his proposed rat season..In the past I have been very vocal about the changes and shortening of the Adirondack fisher season.Frankly,I have become quite disappointed with the thinking of a number of the DEC biologists and managers.I believe season changes should have direct input from trappers in affected units and I do not see that line of communication happening.
I have been a NYSTA member since the 1960's, the Piseco conventions. It troubles me to see what it has now become. My biggest beef has fallen on deaf ears; the lack of communication to the membership. Members should not have to go to a BOD meeting to learn what is going on.. The newsletter was discontinued because of cost and frequently there is no new York news in the Trappers Post..Back years ago Officers and Directors were supposed to put news in the trapping newspaper, but that now has slid `by the boards`.We now have most officers and directors NOT doing their job. There is NO feedback to the membership. We used to have the Director of the bureau of wildlife along with the director of the bureau of law enforcement attend every director's meeting. Today you are lucky to get any DEC representation at all. At the last Director's meeting that I attended the DEC rep complained that she had to get up at 5AM to make the meeting.
In my region the wildlife manager is strictly a 9 to 5, Monday to Friday person. He has failed to show up at numerous meetings and shows if they are on a Saturday.
NYSTA was once a most respected conservation type organization.Not any more.
Personalities have come into play and because of that we have lost some very good members. How much has gossip played into everything?How many years since the treasurer stole that money and still no resolution, only excuses.Why are we paying a lawyer with no results?
The website has been a failure from the beginning.
Now, members are expected to pay their dues, get the subscription to the Trapper's Post, support the lobbyist, but get absolutely no feedback. SOMEONE HAD BETTER WAKE UP !

I agree I wish we all were represented better and we're in the loop more. I also think that it would be easy to inform everyone through the Trappers Post

Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Turtledale] #6946285
07/29/20 11:01 AM
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Thank you to all that have sent comments to:

wildliferegs@dec.ny.gov regarding the loss

of one week of Northern Zone muskrat season.

We trappers in New York State are now suffering

"The death of a thousand small cuts" loss of our

trapping opportunity a little at a time.

Take portion of the northern zone fisher season here,

cancel the Mohawk valley otter season for 20 years there,

Take a week of Northern zone muskrat season for good measure.

You can go trace back through NYS Trapping season history

and see a slow, but gradual, erosion of our trapping opportunity.

All a little at a time, but how much more do we have left to give up ?

I remember well when I lived in East Syracuse, N.Y. and lost my last spring

muskrat season in 1975/76. DEC said it was only a temporary measure

but It was permanent, and now we'll NEVER get it back.

The DEC is slowly legislating and/or regulating we trappers out of existence.

I, for one, refuse to go quietly into the night.

Speak up now or, someday soon,

they'll be coming for your favorite trapping season.

wildliferegs@dec.ny.gov

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Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: Redknot] #6946300
07/29/20 11:21 AM
07/29/20 11:21 AM
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Just sent my e-mail. It just takes a few minutes to be heard. We need to preserve our trapping heritage.

Re: NY Muskrat/Beaver season changes [Re: TonawandaTrapper] #6946543
07/29/20 02:48 PM
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Just five (5) days left to comment.

make sure your voice is heard.

wildliferegs@dec.ny.gov

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