A group of ranchers occupies an empty bird sanctuary in the middle of nowhere, Oregon. The full force of the government is brought down on them. They are villified, one man is murdered in cold blood, dozens spent YEARS in jail awaiting trial, some are still in prison....all are labeled terrorists.

A group of antifa take over a section of a busy city, including a police precinct. They threaten the business owners who are trapped in the area with them...build barricades around the area and make credible threats of violence against anyone who dares to cross them...
and they are the darlings of freedom.

Interesting how that works.

Well said! That is another example of the upside down world we are now in.

They can't remember from one day to the next the garbage they spew

It's all about who is backing the agenda...The same people who came down hard on the Bundy's are behind and support the protesters.

The government you see is not in charge, period.

Are you then saying that the current administration isn’t doing a good job? It’s confusing to me because I read all this Democrat bashing but a Republican is at the helm of your ship, a much loved one by many I may add.

I found Clive’s Bundy’s take on The Trump administration in late May of 2020 interesting. I’ll give him credit, he doesn’t allow partisanship to fully blind his perception of Govt.

I've pondered the connection between these two events as well, and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one. What's interesting to me is how apparently easy it is for people to vilify whichever group they disagree with and glorify the group that they most identify with. Left-leaning people vilify Bundy et al. Right-leaning people vilify Portland's protesters. As to the government's response to each event, I don't have any way of knowing the truth, but I suspect it's much easier to squash a rebellion of a couple dozen people in a rural area than it is to deal with thousands of people in a big city in the midst of nationwide civil unrest.

The part about all this that I think is worth pondering is that, if you're willing to try to understand the people involved in each situation (without the TV or internet telling you what you ought to think), the people involved all want the same thing: freedom. Bundy and his supporters were reacting to (real or perceived) governmental oppression in the rural west. They cared about this place because it represents their home and livelihood, and they reacted according to the government's actions there and in other similar locations. Portlanders are reacting to (real or perceived) governmental oppression in the heart of their city. They care about this place because it represents their home and livelihood. They are reacting according to the government's actions there and in other similar locations. Both parties may have very different backgrounds, political affiliations, and lifestyles, but I think they are reacting to the same problem. They want the same thing. So, as someone asked in another post, where do we go from here? Is violent rebellion the answer? Is the government's equally violent retaliation going to help? I'm not going to answer those questions for you, but I think you can look at any history book and see that this isn't the first time the world has seen these situations. The same history books will also show you how these situations usually end.

Portland is far from being home town protesters. Many that have been arrested are from out of town. For a occupying force to last over 2 months should enlighten ANYONE of that fact if use a little critical thinking. Who is feeding all these protesters? Where are their pyrotechnics coming from? A van full of baseball bats,pyrotechnics, some with nails embedded in them, shields and home made nail strips. Add to this all the color coordinated and printed shirts. Someone with a lot of money is behind this and should be sought out and dealt with.

The R's are doing what they do, but they are not in control....Let me give you an analogy of R's and D's....The D's are driving us off the cliff at 100 mph, and the R's are driving us off a cliff at 75 mph.

Neither are really for the people, and neither are truly in control, but the D's are given
more leeway, because their beliefs are more aligned with who is pulling the strings.

In the end, neither party will call the shots.

Canada is already owned.

Nailed it!!

A question I always ask when folks compare the feds to locals.....are you for states rights or not?

@ hippie;; State's rights, YES, but NOT when some particular States are so WRONG.. It is not the fault of the States, as a whole, but the fault of the 'anti Constitution' socialist politicians running them.





Charlie

Chaz/ Chop mostly demanded free stuff not freedom.

"We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control.
We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.
We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.
We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions.
We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office.
Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”
We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.
We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability.
We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.
Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington.
We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum.
We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media.
We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race."

Keith

I agree Chas!

I feel they left it go far enough already also..But

In reality did they? Is what's going on enough to start another civil war with the states over?
Be me running the show, I'd have squashed the riots along time ago, but then the next group of people would be hollering about the first amendment.

Where do you draw the line of your the feds butting in on a states issue?

The 'Feds' that were sent in are protecting a Federal Building,

Peaceful protesting is a right, rioting, vandalism, theft, arson, and assault, are not.

Be selective, but be thorough, very thorough.




Charlie

Arguably, the list of demands you provided are the things that they think will protect or provide their freedom. That doesn't mean that they're right. Of course, I should be willing to at least entertain the notion that my version of political freedom may be flawed too. I'm merely trying to get to the heart of these issues, and suggest that just because people think or act in ways that I don't understand or agree with, that doesn't make them my enemy.

Jht,
Your two posts here are way, way too sensible.

I find it interesting that minorities want equal treatment until they can be treated special.

Yeah, interesting alright. It's infuriating that politicians and their Mainstream media PR firms continue to get away with this crap only because our attention spans have been reduce to that of 3 year olds. When all of this began in Portland and elsewhere, the Bundy take over of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge was the first thing I thought about. It's sickening.

In Portland they are trying to torch the Court House. How is that a fight for freedom? They are trying to dismantle the current system of laws and consequences, and usher in anarchy. That's far different from the American revolution.
So if you want to live in a country with no law and order, you know who to vote for. Personally, I kinda like being able to sleep without fearing that a mob might break in and kill me and take my stuff. I think laws at least keep the mob rule at Bay.

I never thought about the comparison of the government’s treatment with those in Seattle and the Bundy group. The Bundy’s got the full wrath of the government thrown at them, the protestors ( or whatever they are ) in Seattle were coddled.