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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6947863
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Cattle have 4 stomachs for breaking down fibrous material to get the nutrition out of it. Pigs just have 1 stomach. I would think most cattle feed would be to hard for pigs to digest well enough to get enough nutrition out of.

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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6947867
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I work at a feed mill and there’s definitely a difference in what goes in to hog feed compared to cattle feed. That being said idk if the cattle feed would hurt the hogs or not. Probably better for a hog to eat cattle feed than for a cow to eat hog feed.

But that’s just my opinion

Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6947876
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Stay away from the cattle feed. It might have urea as a source of protein. I would want an 18% protein on the small hogs but you can probably get by with 16%. 80# run 15% to butcher. You will have a better carcass.My rule is 18% to 40#, 16% to 80#, 15% to death Makes a great quality carcass assuming genetics do not suck.


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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6947885
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... a hog can digest about anything but they’ll get more from less with the pig pellets .. might even cost you less per lb of yield in the long run

.. sounds like broomchaser has a good regimen figured out....


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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: Savell] #6947992
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The issue is with the difference in weight and size or age of your growing hogs. Most feed high quality grower to feeder pigs under 40-50 lbs. Many times that is called a starter. When we bought 35-45 lbs. feeders we would buy the equivalent of 1 50 lbs. bag of starter grower per pig which was enough to get them up to about 60 lbs. or so and then we fed a straight hog grower feed until butcher time.
Cattle feed will work on the older hogs unless it has more ground corn with cob and other lower energy feed and also many times cattle feed is crimped or rolled and not ground so the rumen process will work better. Hog feed is generally ground much finer as with one gut you want maximum breakdown so the small intestines can absorb the digested nutrients. In cattle the feed we feed the cows creates the bugs that grow and die and the guts and intestines digest the decaying rumen bugs. In single stomach animals the food for the animal comes from the feed source only.

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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bblwi] #6948018
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Originally Posted by bblwi
The issue is with the difference in weight and size or age of your growing hogs. Most feed high quality grower to feeder pigs under 40-50 lbs. Many times that is called a starter. When we bought 35-45 lbs. feeders we would buy the equivalent of 1 50 lbs. bag of starter grower per pig which was enough to get them up to about 60 lbs. or so and then we fed a straight hog grower feed until butcher time.
Cattle feed will work on the older hogs unless it has more ground corn with cob and other lower energy feed and also many times cattle feed is crimped or rolled and not ground so the rumen process will work better. Hog feed is generally ground much finer as with one gut you want maximum breakdown so the small intestines can absorb the digested nutrients. In cattle the feed we feed the cows creates the bugs that grow and die and the guts and intestines digest the decaying rumen bugs. In single stomach animals the food for the animal comes from the feed source only.

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Amen to Broomchaser and Bryce.
I’d like to add to Bryce‘s post mentioning The needs for positive bugs in the stomach or the intestinal track of the animal. I’d like to recommend if you have farm animals that you feed them in the ration Primalac from Forage research LLC in Missouri. I fed it years ago got tremendous results. Back then it was considered 3.5% body weight drymatter would be good for your dairy cattle. Balancing my ration correctly and using primalac we or able to achieve 6% Dry matter intake. Average production per cow was extremely high for the times. I recommend you use a direct fed microbial like that all your animals. You have less problems with the animals getting sick to. I even put it in every load of cattle water before they were shipped to my customers .


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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6948046
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Slop slop and more slop. And also the old saying goes “hog behind every cow and a chicken behind every hog.”
We used feed em everything including coal for wormer. Roastn ears might be their favorite. Bout that time of year.

Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: Michael Lippold] #6948431
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Originally Posted by Michael Lippold
I work at a feed mill and there’s definitely a difference in what goes in to hog feed compared to cattle feed. That being said idk if the cattle feed would hurt the hogs or not. Probably better for a hog to eat cattle feed than for a cow to eat hog feed.

But that’s just my opinion



And your opinion would be wrong. Many cattle feeds are medicated with either Bovitec or Rumensin. Either of which WILL kill a pig lickity split.

Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6948452
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I have fed creep feed to hogs. We were buying 150 to180 boars, cutting them, healing them, and sending right back where they come from at 200 to 250. Worked great was getting creep for 12 cents a pound. Tried it with weanling pigs and like others have said the fiber is way high, had a big problem with protracted sphincters. So unless you like sewing bung holes back in place I would look for other alternatives. Best pork I ever raised ate nothing but turnips oats and milk its' whole life.


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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6948503
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Getting hog grower or finisher from a feed mill that grinds and mixes their own feed would be cheaper than buying pelletized commercial feed. I get feed delivered from a feed mill every other week.

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Originally Posted by cwtrapper
Getting hog grower or finisher from a feed mill that grinds and mixes their own feed would be cheaper than buying pelletized commercial feed. I get feed delivered from a feed mill every other week.

^^^ this,,and buy it by the ton.


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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: upstateNY] #6948558
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We had our beef cattle, hog feed, sheep and poultry feed all ground at the local smaller mill that caters to those of us using smaller volumes and still using almost all bagged feed. A ton sounds good if you have the head, but if a person is going to feed a couple feeder pigs out to butcher size and you want to change the mix at certain stages you probably don't want 2,000 lbs of feed as it would take a long time to feed that up.

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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6949195
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Ok. Dumb question. What is creep feed? OGorman talks about it in his books. But they were written 20+ years ago and feedlot farming has changed things.

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Re: Cattle feed for pigs [Re: bowhunter27295] #6949242
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I used to give away some runt pigs to an old guy. He would soak whole corn or ground corn in water for a few days (need to avoid metal or corrosive containers). Would feed that to them and maybe a can of tankage or meat scraps or soybean meal, soybeans need to be cooked, sows can handle them whole uncooked thou. Synthetic lysine is one of the major amino-acids in a hogs needs but its expensive. He would feed them table scraps and bad vegetables and fruit from his garden. Anyway he would usually have his runts ready ahead of the group they came out of, they would be heavy on the lard thou, but that's not a bad thing to every body. The only bad thing was if he missed a day or two getting his corn soured they would whine something awful. I told him once he needed to get them to an AA meeting, lol.

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Originally Posted by Teacher
Ok. Dumb question. What is creep feed? OGorman talks about it in his books. But they were written 20+ years ago and feedlot farming has changed things.

Creep feed is feed put out for calves before they’re weaned. Its formulated to help their gut mature and transition to a mostly forage/grain diet.

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Originally Posted by M.Magis
Originally Posted by Teacher
Ok. Dumb question. What is creep feed? OGorman talks about it in his books. But they were written 20+ years ago and feedlot farming has changed things.

Creep feed is feed put out for calves before they’re weaned. Its formulated to help their gut mature and transition to a mostly forage/grain diet.


Put in a feeder cows couldn't fit into. Only the small bodied calves.



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