Down Pan Stop
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07/31/20 03:30 PM
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Recently picked up some Sleepy Creek 1.5 CS, with double jaws. They came with a screw installed under the pan, that is apparently what they describe as a down pan stop. As near as I can tell, SC installed these at the factory. And here is why....... http://www.scmtraps.com/tips.html Try as I might, I am unable to adjust the dog to where pan is level just before trap fires. As it arrived new, pan hits this screw and stops before trap fires. From level position, distance from tip of pan to top of screw is amount of travel before trap fires. When it stops, it's hanging by a thread on the very edge. This is the only trap I've seen setup this way. Trying to decide if this screw is something I want to keep or take it off and chuck it?
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: Yes sir]
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07/31/20 07:48 PM
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Can u shorten the dog so it fires a little bit sooner thats what i done with my few Sleepy Creeks that i have
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: Yes sir]
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07/31/20 10:08 PM
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Can the nut be loosened and bolt threaded down a bit. Seems like they would build some adjustment in that stop Yes you can. I bought some cat traps with them and after going to the big pans and exposed sets I learned how useful they can be.
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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07/31/20 10:40 PM
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Still not sure how the pan stop....beyond double jaws.....is supposed to help with chewing....unless foot is not as deep in trap when it fires.
That is what it does. It prevents the foot from falling to base when the trap fires.
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: The Beav]
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08/01/20 08:37 AM
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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08/03/20 06:59 AM
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danny clifton
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Do this to the dog. Closing that loop allows the dog to move up and down but not back and forth. That back and forth movement is why you are having problems. Adjust the level of the pan by bending the post (the part of the frame the dog is attached to) forward or back. A crescent wrench works real good for that
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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08/03/20 08:13 AM
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danny clifton
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BEND THE DOG POST AWAY FROM THE PAN
( see the first post)
Last edited by danny clifton; 08/03/20 08:15 AM.
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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Get rid of the pan stop end of problem. Then do what DC has shown you to level the pan. I have trapped for 70 some years and sure you get some deep catches so what. And the trap has chew guards so don't sweat It.
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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08/04/20 07:55 PM
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doing what I posted, filing the notch almost off, squeezing the loop closed, bending the post, takes at most 2 minutes a trap. newhouse put pan "breakers" on some of their trap pans. I n ever understood that either
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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08/05/20 02:09 PM
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You wont trash one filing the notch down. Worst case you turn the file flat and cut a new notch with the side of the file
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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08/05/20 05:57 PM
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So here is my first attempt......enough meat left to set easy, yet fires pretty quick.....if I could get the pan stop tension set right. It needs a washer to fill in gap beside between pan pivot and pivot posts. # 6 washers I have are all too thick. Might get creative finding something else..... Then on the other trap, before filing down the notch on that, I tried another trick that seemed to work. Variation on the pan stop......a temporary pan stop. In this case.....a 9/16" bolt. Set trap......then place bolt between pan and frame and push pan down till it stops. Then remove spacer bolt. Trap is now set on edge of firing. Easy to do and highly repeatable. Then tried it with a 1/2" bolt.......held, but that was a hair trigger. Breath on that and it fired. If I was going to put that into practice, would probably try something lighter.....like 1/2" dowel rod, pvc pipe, etc. Fine tune it with a wrap or two of tape? But filing down the pan notch, while a bit more prep work, does not need any special tools and is repeatable too.
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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Dont forget to bend that loop closed. Else the dog can, and will, move forward as the pan drops. To get a nice clean firing consistent trap that loop needs pinched so the dog can only move up and down. Put the pliers on it like in the picture. then squeeze it together. Afterwards you may need to move the dog up and down a bit to loosen it up just a bit. Pretty much when you feel it move your done. Dont keep squeezing. If you need too you can open it back up with a screw driver. The trick is when you feel it pinch quit squeezing
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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08/05/20 09:46 PM
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Due to lack of experience tuning traps, been a bit reluctant to start waving around files out of concern I might inadvertently trash a perfectly good trap. Quite possible one can do more harm than good. Need to get past that. How else is a guy going to learn? Good place to start might be some tuning some old traps......trash one of those and you haven't lost much. Dogs and pans are easy to replace. Montgomery style dogless traps are where you can run into some traps that sit in the garage all season if you get happy with the file.
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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So here is my first attempt......enough meat left to set easy, yet fires pretty quick.....if I could get the pan stop tension set right. It needs a washer to fill in gap beside between pan pivot and pivot posts. # 6 washers I have are all too thick. Might get creative finding something else..... Then on the other trap, before filing down the notch on that, I tried another trick that seemed to work. Variation on the pan stop......a temporary pan stop. In this case.....a 9/16" bolt. Set trap......then place bolt between pan and frame and push pan down till it stops. Then remove spacer bolt. Trap is now set on edge of firing. Easy to do and highly repeatable. Then tried it with a 1/2" bolt.......held, but that was a hair trigger. Breath on that and it fired. If I was going to put that into practice, would probably try something lighter.....like 1/2" dowel rod, pvc pipe, etc. Fine tune it with a wrap or two of tape? But filing down the pan notch, while a bit more prep work, does not need any special tools and is repeatable too. Good job
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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08/07/20 07:19 AM
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Take that stop out all together. Adjust the pan throw as Danny shows. And if its on a drowner, chewing is never an issue they are too focused on on getting air. Your trap has double jaws and that eliminates space under the jaws anyway so will work well on land sets for sure. I never understood a down pan stop. If I walked up on my set with this trap and trap was still set because it couldn't fire with that dumb bolt under it...and the set showed evidence of being worked and danced all over but coon or fox literally could not be caught due to faulty piece of equipment I would have hurled that trap quite a ways out into the lake knowing my patience level for such stuff.
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Re: Down Pan Stop
[Re: HayDay]
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08/13/20 11:59 PM
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I have never witnessed any chewing on a back foot catch. I know I shouldn't say never but In all the years of trapping coon I haven't witnessed It.
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