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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6949791
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guys get wounded deer with buckshot cause they try to shoot too far. I must admit I have not shot a deer with it but out to 30 yards with 00 I am confident my mossberg 500 with the modified choke screwed in would roll one right up. I have just been experimenting with muzzle loader balls and cream of wheat. i put them in a plastic shot cup one at a time. add cream of wheat as i go. factory shells would likely be tighter yet


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6949798
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In a home defense scenario (less than 7 yards) there will not be a significant difference between 00 buck and 4 buck. Both will be lethal at center mass and both will penetrate multiple walls on errant shots. Would not want to be on the receiving end of any shotshell let alone buckshot!

Chris


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6949801
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I have killed several deer with buckshot years ago when hunting with hounds. Killed one at 80 yds once...1 pellet hit in the rib cage. Too far to be ethical but it worked. Didnt try another that far. But always used used 3" in magnum 00....not these reduced recoil rounds.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Hodagtrapper] #6949804
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Originally Posted by Hodagtrapper
In a home defense scenario (less than 7 yards) there will not be a significant difference between 00 buck and 4 buck. Both will be lethal at center mass and both will penetrate multiple walls on errant shots. Would not want to be on the receiving end of any shotshell let alone buckshot!

Chris

Me either.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6949813
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Buckshot is still commonly used down here in these deer hound woods. I pity the deer dog hunter that hasnt kept his buckshot supply up. Not readily available, especially magnum hunting loads.

Lookout other hunters for those zinging hp rifle rounds this season.......


It was the only thing allowed in the club's I came up in. Rifles were deemed to dangerous and slugs weren't trusted.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: warrior] #6949848
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Buckshot is still commonly used down here in these deer hound woods. I pity the deer dog hunter that hasnt kept his buckshot supply up. Not readily available, especially magnum hunting loads.

Lookout other hunters for those zinging hp rifle rounds this season.......


It was the only thing allowed in the club's I came up in. Rifles were deemed to dangerous and slugs weren't trusted.

Down here too. Georgia law even made rifles illegal for deer dog hunting if hunting in a party of more than 4 people, but that law was repealed in the late 80s or early 90s.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: coop74] #6949867
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will it be the tightest patterning shot around , maybe not not , will it matter? not at HD distances.

this is the cheapest buck around suprema it is a spanish company it was around 7 dollars a box of 25
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this is Remington express buck more than 7 dollars a box
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this is from a 20" IC barrel this is the worst it patterned from any gun I tried 32 feet because it is the longest possible distance in my house

I have shot a bunch of Fiochi in other rounds it alwasy worked fine.



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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Hodagtrapper] #6949912
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Originally Posted by Hodagtrapper
In a home defense scenario (less than 7 yards) there will not be a significant difference between 00 buck and 4 buck. Both will be lethal at center mass and both will penetrate multiple walls on errant shots. Would not want to be on the receiving end of any shotshell let alone buckshot!

Chris


as much as I dislike "bird shot" as an HD round , because I have shot raccoon with it and didn't get the desired effect I will admit that was more like 30 feet it does seem quite lethal to the bird hunters often waterfowl hunters who shoot themselves with it in the state. but they are getting shot by their dog typically at less than a boat distance less than 5 yards.

I also have a co-worker still walking around with bird shot in his gut , he got shot by a crazy room mate probably 30 years ago he got shot in the stomach and had to be on a feeding tube for months while things heeled back up after they patched him up.

here is some test video of a guy shooting meat targets with different bird shot the largest he went was a magnum #6 shot it did go through the target and the wall the target was on you might want to skip ahead to meat targets about 9:30 in to the video at 5 yards it is like a frangible slug.



If I was going to use bird shot #4 lead heavy game load would be my choice , it proved effective on the farm when a pack of wild dogs was in the hog pen it was my grandpas go to kills everything on the farm load he also always shot it from a full choke the only gun he owned.

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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6949920
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Paul Harrell has a lot of great videos. He is one heck of a pistol shot too. Top notch info IMO!

Chris


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6949932
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I actually enjoy new batches of ammo- test it out on some plywood and old fence posts! Have some fun see how it patterns etc


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6949948
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... got to see how it patterns out of the the passenger side window of an 83 ford at 55


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Hodagtrapper] #6949955
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Originally Posted by Hodagtrapper
Paul Harrell has a lot of great videos. He is one heck of a pistol shot too. Top notch info IMO!

Chris

he just released a video 10.5 inch barrel AR vs 20 inch barrel at 200 yards with soft point ammo and hollow point ammo.

55gr soft points were leaving the barrel at 2700 and some fps while the same 55gr soft point was leaving the 20 inch at 3200fps the 55gr soft point from the 10.5 was effective enough on the meat target at 200 yards that I expect it would do just fine at distances under 50 yards

a previous video of his he was shooting multiple targets with the 10.5 and 20 and he was much faster transitioning from target to target with the 10.5

if only a guy could find a 10.5 AR barrel right now.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Savell] #6949992
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Originally Posted by Savell
... got to see how patterns out of the the passenger side window of an 83 ford at 55


Grandpa said the #4 patterns great on fox from a 50 Plymouth at about 30 cruising through a frozen hay field from an Ithaca M37 with a full choke you just have to be careful not to shoot the antenna in 50 they moved it to the passenger side.

Grandpa is probably the reason we have that pesky law about not hunting with the aid of an air craft , the farmer down the road from his farm was a WWII pilot and had a small high wing with a big speaker mounted on the wing strut , he would call down were the fox was coming out.

my brother bought a 50 Plymouth when he gets it running we might have to double check I have the M37 probably have to go without the air craft.

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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Savell] #6950018
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Originally Posted by Savell
... got to see how it patterns out of the the passenger side window of an 83 ford at 55



But it's a lot better to fire out the driver side because the empties eject into the ash tray. You don't want to litter!!


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950040
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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950047
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Lol White... you wise men have the answers to all the world’s problems lol


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950048
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There ya go !!! laugh


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950049
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... grandpa knew how to party GreenCounty lol


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950053
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That Ithaca M37 ejects out the bottom so it would work from either window...

Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: AnthonyT] #6950059
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Originally Posted by AnthonyT
That Ithaca M37 ejects out the bottom so it would work from either window...


... White... you want me to remind him about the ashtray .. or just let you field it lol

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