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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950072
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I use double ought for coyote calling at night drops em with easy at 40 yards

Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Savell] #6950076
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Originally Posted by Savell
Originally Posted by AnthonyT
That Ithaca M37 ejects out the bottom so it would work from either window...


... White... you want me to remind him about the ashtray .. or just let you field it lol


ejecting out the bottom makes it the perfect ditch cougar gun.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950079
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Fiochi been around a while but I'm not very familiar with it. 46 cents per round...it'll do. This was my July ammo purchase....lol

I just bought 150 rounds of this 00 buckshot....for "home defense." Across the room distance it should do OK. Its not for hunting.

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SwampWolf, Fiochi warns against using this in semi autos as it may not cycle due to low recoil. It's manufactured in Ozark Missouri. The wad is built to hold the shot column together, meaning at your ranges there will be little spread, but the reality is beyond 20 feet these loads open up big time. Low muzzle flash is a talking point, but any flash in the dark is going to have you seeing sun spots or your wife. You get what you pay for in soft lead and in soft lead, nickel plated or not, body armor has been known to stop these loads.
Winchester and Federal are what you stake your life on.

Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: star flakes] #6950084
07/31/20 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by star flakes
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Fiochi been around a while but I'm not very familiar with it. 46 cents per round...it'll do. This was my July ammo purchase....lol

I just bought 150 rounds of this 00 buckshot....for "home defense." Across the room distance it should do OK. Its not for hunting.

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SwampWolf, Fiochi warns against using this in semi autos as it may not cycle due to low recoil. It's manufactured in Ozark Missouri. The wad is built to hold the shot column together, meaning at your ranges there will be little spread, but the reality is beyond 20 feet these loads open up big time. Low muzzle flash is a talking point, but any flash in the dark is going to have you seeing sun spots or your wife. You get what you pay for in soft lead and in soft lead, nickel plated or not, body armor has been known to stop these loads.
Winchester and Federal are what you stake your life on.

Pump guns here. One muzzle flash might do it for most intruders. I'll tell her to head shoot em...lol

Thanks for the great info on these Fiocchi rounds.

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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6950094
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Originally Posted by Savell
Originally Posted by AnthonyT
That Ithaca M37 ejects out the bottom so it would work from either window...


... White... you want me to remind him about the ashtray .. or just let you field it lol



Gotta be careful with a model 37. A hot casing might go down your boot.

Stick with the ashtray by holding the gun sideways ..............like most of us do !


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950105
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If you are a reloader, be sure to buy the Fiochi primers. They are .001" bigger than Rem or Win 209 and consequently the primer pockets are fractionally larger


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: white17] #6950106
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Originally Posted by white17



Gotta be careful with a model 37. A hot casing might go down your boot.

Stick with the ashtray by holding the gun sideways ..............like most of us do !


never once even while wearing knee high rubber boots , or lace up 8 inch redwings and shorts I have ever had a shot shell go down my boot

I have had more than enough burning 5.56 brass in the small of my back . 9 and 40 down my shirt , but never once 12 ga in my boot.

the ash tray on an 83 ford truck is under the radio and it only pulled out a little ways the ash try in my 83 ford van was on top of the dog house

but every one knows ash trays are for storing 22lr ammo.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950116
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.... or beer caps Green lol ... good post


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6950147
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
will it be the tightest patterning shot around , maybe not not , will it matter? not at HD distances.

this is the cheapest buck around suprema it is a spanish company it was around 7 dollars a box of 25
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this is Remington express buck more than 7 dollars a box
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this is from a 20" IC barrel this is the worst it patterned from any gun I tried 32 feet because it is the longest possible distance in my house

I have shot a bunch of Fiochi in other rounds it alwasy worked fine.



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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950161
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I don't know much about them but I hear they are opening a new plant in Little Rock.

Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6950195
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by white17



Gotta be careful with a model 37. A hot casing might go down your boot.

Stick with the ashtray by holding the gun sideways ..............like most of us do !


never once even while wearing knee high rubber boots , or lace up 8 inch redwings and shorts I have ever had a shot shell go down my boot

I have had more than enough burning 5.56 brass in the small of my back . 9 and 40 down my shirt , but never once 12 ga in my boot.

the ash tray on an 83 ford truck is under the radio and it only pulled out a little ways the ash try in my 83 ford van was on top of the dog house

but every one knows ash trays are for storing 22lr ammo.

Must have had the wool shell deflectors in the knee high boots.

Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6950201
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
will it be the tightest patterning shot around , maybe not not , will it matter? not at HD distances.

this is the cheapest buck around suprema it is a spanish company it was around 7 dollars a box of 25
[Linked Image]


this is Remington express buck more than 7 dollars a box
[Linked Image]

this is from a 20" IC barrel this is the worst it patterned from any gun I tried 32 feet because it is the longest possible distance in my house

I have shot a bunch of Fiochi in other rounds it alwasy worked fine.



How did you get a PigglyWiggly bag in WI?

We have olenty if them up here. I think they even have a headquarters in Sheboygan.

Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950202
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In my experience, the largest pattern from a cylinder or improved cylinder shotgun with '00' buckshot was about 1" per yard traveled. At 32 feet (longer range than most house engagements) it will cover a doorway nicely. Still gotta aim, but those 9 pellets, each of which is about .32 caliber and moving at about 850 mph, should make the intruder wish they had made better life choices.

Had to put down a large (150+ pounds) , rabid dog one time who was a real danger. At 7 yards, the pattern was basically covered by your hand.

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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950207
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I do better than that with just a 410. 4 balls at 35 yards with cream of wheat for filler. only 3 fit in the shot cups I had lying around. If I bought better shot cups I think it would eliminate that "flyer".

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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: grisseldog] #6950218
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Originally Posted by grisseldog
I read in sports afield when I was a kid that
Buckshot was good for wounding deer and killing your buddy
So it should be great to shoot home invaders

buckshot will stop a deer with no problem anything inside 100yds with someone who can shot a shotgun accurately can stop deer we shoot approx 5-10 deer every year in a one week span shootimg just buckshot

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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6950475
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the 500 I/C shoots them better the full choke puts them in about the size of a fist

I used the Rem I/c as the example of the worst pattern of anything I tried that gun rode around in a Squad car for 25 years and has had a lot of buck shot though it the barrel was a mess when I bought it from the PD.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6954771
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more buck shot info

here he shoots some of the Suprema and Remington


you can see as you extend the distance on the buck shot forma cylinder or IC choke that the pattern starts to get big especially with the 9th pellet flyer and the suprema which is OK buckshot at 10 yards not so great at 15 or farhter form a I/C choke.
this is the reason some municipalities have chosen to not carry buck in their shotguns and only slugs at 50 yards that pellet is still traveling and could be lethal but you have no idea where it is going just a general direction.
yes slugs are single projectile and have big penetration they feel that the officer can make a better decision to fire one or not at least knowing they are responsible for just one projectile.

it also gets to the question are there better tools you can put in the tool box to that the answer is yes but everything that works well also has penetration issues

many departments have also decided to no longer keep shotguns in patrol cars instead use patrol rifles a fairly light fast bullet while it will travel a long range gives an even greater level of accuracy and if the right fragmenting type bullet is used it limits over penetration an ricochet one example is the Hornady Urban TAP ammo 223rem.
some are doing both rifle and shotgun in the car.

buck from a shotgun remains a reasonable tool for home defense because most likely it will be used at short range under 10 yards and there will be walls to slow down any projectiles that miss the target limiting the threat that they exit your house and travel to an untended human target. in all self defense shooting Aim small most personal defense ammo has very little left exiting an intended target if it even exits missing is a double risk.

it does make you think why aren't 18-20 inch barrels coming with choke tubes , the logic is that you don't need it but I think a mod or full in a shotgun that cuts your pattern in half at 10-15 yards means it stays smaller longer and is less likely to cause issues with bistandards.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: AnthonyT] #6954840
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Originally Posted by AnthonyT
That Ithaca M37 ejects out the bottom so it would work from either window...

You have to hold it sideways(hood style ), when you pump it,if you want to eject it into the ash tray.


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Re: Opinions on this buckshot? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6954892
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Fiochi been around a while but I'm not very familiar with it. 46 cents per round...it'll do. This was my July ammo purchase....lol

I just bought 150 rounds of this 00 buckshot....for "home defense." Across the room distance it should do OK. Its not for hunting.

[Linked Image]



150 rounds to protect your home ?? !!!! IF you think you need that much you need to move ........................................

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I just scratch my head when I hear people think 00 buck is good for defense. #3 or even #4 is better . More pellets . BUT in side a home neither is good if you will be shooting thru the house might kill your kids down the hall.....


A pickup wouldn't hold the grey foxes I killed in the 70's and early 80's with # 2 birdshot !!! Grey fox is one of the toughest little animals to put down !!!
Got a question have ANY of you ever been inside a house when 12 gauge goes off? I shot out the back door once killing starlings off my blue bird box. Problem was I didn't have the barrel out the door as I was standing back in the kitchen so they couldn't see me. Took me a week to get the ringing to stop. PLUS my wife put an end to that !!!!

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