Re: COVID Tests Skewed?
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The Governor of Ohio tested positive today. Maybe he just is over tested. You tell me. Maybe he just wants time to himself ...
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Re: COVID Tests Skewed?
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"We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE. Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases." I'm lost. Hospitals get paid more than what?
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Re: COVID Tests Skewed?
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My sister runs a nursing home and they have to test all staff every week. 2 weeks ago the person that does the test screwed up and accidentally sent in 3 test that were never used. Meaning they never swabbed anything. All three came back positive.
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Re: COVID Tests Skewed?
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Pee on this Ima go read about magnetic fields of 330s I've inquired about that on the trapping only thread. I'm waiting to see where I can go read more about it.
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Re: COVID Tests Skewed?
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What Medicare paysBy Tom Kertscher, PolitiFact reporter An article shared on Facebook questions whether the count of COVID-19 patients is inflated, saying hospitals have a financial incentive to claim that a patient has the virus. "Hospitals get paid more to list patients as COVID-19 — 3 times as much if put on ventilator," the story’s headline states. The article was posted on WorldNetDaily, a conservative news website. It was produced by The Spectator, which describes itself as a conservative publication. The Spectator reported on comments made by Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator, in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. Jensen said on Fox News that doctors are being encouraged to cite COVID-19 as a cause of death on death certificates and he suggested that money is a motivation. Medicare has determined that a hospital gets paid $13,000 if a COVID-19 patient on Medicare is admitted and $39,000 if the patient goes on a ventilator, he claimed. Jensen did not respond to our request for information. The federal government has decided to pay hospitals more for treating COVID-19 patients. But it isn’t a windfall in the way the headline suggests. And there is no indication that hospitals are over-identifying patients as having COVID-19. If anything, evidence suggests the illness is being underdiagnosed. How Medicare pays hospitals Medicare pays for inpatient hospital stays using a diagnosis-related group (DRG) payment system. The hospital assigns a code to a patient at the time of discharge, based mainly on the patient’s main diagnosis and treatment given. Medicare then pays the hospital a prescribed amount of money — regardless of what it actually cost the hospital to provide the care. The amount can vary in different parts of the country to account for labor costs and other factors. The amounts The dollar amounts Jensen cited are roughly what we found in an analysis published April 7 by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading source of health information. (Kaiser Health News, which partners with PolitiFact on health fact-checking, is an editorially independent program of the foundation.) There isn’t a Medicare diagnostic code specifically for COVID-19. Using payment rates for similar respiratory conditions, Kaiser estimated the average Medicare payment at $13,297 for a less severe hospitalization and $40,218 for hospitalization in which a patient is treated with a ventilator for at least 96 hours. "A COVID patient on a ventilator will need more services and more complicated services, not just the ventilator," said Joseph Antos, scholar in health care at the American Enterprise Institute. "It is reasonable that a patient who is on a ventilator would cost three times one who isn't that sick." Medicare will pay hospitals a 20% "add-on" to the regular DRG payment for COVID-19 patients. That’s a result of the CARES Act, the largest of the three federal stimulus laws enacted in response to the coronavirus, which was signed into law March 27. "This is no scandal," Antos said. "The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even routine services to COVID patients has jumped."
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Re: COVID Tests Skewed?
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So hospitals receive 5k for pneumonia or 39K for covid on a ventilator.
You do the math. "Compare Medical billing costs for Pneumonia (Simple Pneumonia & Pleurisy With Major Complications) in U.S. Hospitals CMS.gov released billing data from 2575 hospitals for "Pneumonia (Simple Pneumonia & Pleurisy With Major Complications)" in 2011 . The average medical billing charge was $37,408.93 and the average medicare reimbursement was $10,053.70." "Roughly 15% of people infected by the coronavirus could require hospitalization, and a small share require invasive mechanical ventilation. The cost of these admissions will vary by severity and payer. In an earlier analysis, we estimate that, among people insured through a large employer’s private health plan, hospitalization for pneumonia ranged from an average of $9,763 to $20,292 in 2018 depending on severity and comorbidities associated with the condition. However, patients who need to be put on a ventilator would have much higher costs. In 2018, ventilation treatment for respiratory conditions ranged from $34,223 to $88,114 depending on the length of time ventilation is required, for patients in large employer plans. Treatment costs on a per patient basis for comparable admissions will be lower in Medicare and Medicaid, where providers are reimbursed at lower rates. For example, average hospital payments for pneumonia with major comorbidities or complications are $10,010 under Medicare, and hospitalizations for respiratory system infections requiring ventilator support are $40,218. Under the CARES Act, Medicare will pay a 20% premium for COVID-19 treatment, but per admission payment is still less than that for the same type of admission for people with private plans, on average."
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Re: COVID Tests Skewed?
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They cant even get the testing right but you will be the first in line for a vaccine?? Seems it would be easier to develop a test than a vaccine. Well I'm wearing out staying isolated as much as possible , as a three times a week church goer and haven't been since this all started. Go get supplies once an month. My wife has to go to the Drs often with her ankle and no way way can I believe hospitals are a safe place. In the mean time my best buddy dies from it that only lived a mile from me. So at least getting the vaccine I have a hope and if in the trials its not killing anyone then I figure at least no harm. Got any better ideas I'm open to them except that when the election is over this will all magically disappear?
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Re: COVID Tests Skewed?
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They cant even get the testing right but you will be the first in line for a vaccine?? Seems it would be easier to develop a test than a vaccine. Well I'm wearing out staying isolated as much as possible , as a three times a week church goer and haven't been since this all started. Go get supplies once an month. My wife has to go to the Drs often with her ankle and no way way can I believe hospitals are a safe place. In the mean time my best buddy dies from it that only lived a mile from me. So at least getting the vaccine I have a hope and if in the trials its not killing anyone then I figure at least no harm. Got any better ideas I'm open to them except that when the election is over this will all magically disappear? God's words in the Bible speak a fair amount on worry, trust, death, about who is control and who will provide and take care of you. That's were my faith and trust comes from. Not trying to turn this into a religious thread and I know some of you guys aren't believers so no need to make me aware of that. Just one Christian talking to another here.
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