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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958681
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It's the only way they can do anything. Sure won't be through the house or senate.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: James] #6958696
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Originally Posted by James
Since taxes are set by Congress, how can Trump terminate them?

This is an election ploy.

Jim


Very well could be an election ploy but nothing in history will ever compare to the Obama phone ploy!

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: Pike River] #6958716
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Originally Posted by Pike River
What if Obama would've done this????


“We’re driving the bus now, sit down and shut up.” lol



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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: Mike in A-town] #6958718
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Originally Posted by James
Since taxes are set by Congress, how can Trump terminate them?

This is an election ploy.

Jim


Short answer: He can't by EO.

However he could order an air strike on the IRS and the Federal Reserve and I'd be just fine with that. And before you rebuke me by saying he can't use military power against American citizens... We're talking about the IRS... Kind of like communists, not really sure they even qualify as human.

Mike



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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958725
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It is a very bad thing when your government just assumes more authority than is constitutionally allowed. Three equal branch's is a good thing. Only the stuff that is really important can get done. Liberty is protected.

Lincolns Emancipation Proclamation may have been the right thing to do but it wasn't legal. It is why a constitutional amendment actually freed the slaves three years later.

I can't find anything that gives the President or a state Governor, the authority to simply declare a law or change a law.

This executive order thing is scary and when used to modify or make a new law is absolutely unconstitutional.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958735
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In Draw Poker, the wild card would be the lowest card in a player's hand. When such a card is designated, it means that every card of that rank in that player's hand is wild, but the fact that a certain card is wild in one player's hand does not make that same rank of card wild in other players' hands.
I guess things change or stays the same when the shuffle comes.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958755
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I am a Trump supporter, but I am with Danny on this, Executive Orders are dangerous. A president should not have that much power. The next president could sign away some of our freedoms given to us in the constitution, and then we would have to rely on our irresponsible courts to get them back. The legislative branch of the government would become irrelevant.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6958759
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by James
Since taxes are set by Congress, how can Trump terminate them?

This is an election ploy.

Jim


As I read this he would not be terminating them at this time , He would be directing the allowed deferment without penalty.

you can differ income over 3 years say you move your 401K to a Roth IRA you can divide it by 3 and spread the taxes out over 3 years.

this would be similar to that but for the employer portion.

it might allow an employer to bring 4 people back when they would have only been able to bring back 3 otherwise.



So it sounds like you're reading this like I am then? This executive action allows employers to defer their payroll taxes, but employees are still required to pay them???

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: Duckie1] #6958796
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Originally Posted by Duckie1
Trump has said from day one he wanted to eliminate the payroll tax, that was in his campaign speeches last time around.
The Supremes gave him the E.O. option when they said Obama's Excutive Orders, which even Obama said were unconstitutional, could stand.
I don't agree with excessive E.O.s being passed by anyone but you can't just blame Trump when people like Whitmer here in Michigan are nearing 180 E.O.s since March.
Fellow Michigan family suffering under the Nasty Governors thumb of E/O's. I and family signed the petition yesterday to snap her lease.

Last edited by Feedinggrounds; 08/09/20 08:32 AM. Reason: correction

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: James] #6958802
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Originally Posted by James
Why do people making $99,999 per year need help?

It's the people who've lost their jobs that need help.

Jim
They been getting $600 extra a week...That's not help? Nose bleeds huh?


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958825
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The problem was the additional $600 was higher than many made while working so who would want to go back to work and take a pay cut.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958829
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$600x52= $31,200.

The HHS department issues poverty level guidelines. The poverty level for a family of four is $26,200.

Pretty good income to sit on one's rear end.

$400X52= $20,800.

This is lower than the poverty level which would incentivize people to get a job. We need people working, not living as if we were a socialist utopia.

But in all honesty, I am ok with it disappearing totally.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958834
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The best/ only breakfast restaurant in town just closed for good simply because they can't get help. They were doing a great business.
Steak house can't get help. Motels can't hire help. It's pathetic.


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958860
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Executive Order = By by Social Security

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958871
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The best economic relief would be to quit all the chinese flu rules and repeal 80% of the licensing and other onerous business regulations. If the government would get out of the way the people in the United States would do what they do best. Create wealth.

The definition of license is: permission to do something that is illegal. How can running a private business be illegal in the first place??????

Ending minimum wage laws and GOVERNMENT unemployment insurance would be a real good start.

It looks to me like politicians are trying desperately to save fiat currency. IF that is accurate you better hang on. Going to be a carnival ride like nobody has ever seen before.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958913
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Dont pay taxes let the government ask us the people what we want done we in turn will decide with oversight how we want our donations to projects spent.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958931
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30



So it sounds like you're reading this like I am then? This executive action allows employers to defer their payroll taxes, but employees are still required to pay them???



No. The employee portion will not be deducted from the employee's wages. Additionally, the employer will be allowed to defer payment to the government, BOTH the employee and employer portion of the tax. Those deferred taxes MAY be payable at some point in the future.

Trump said that if he is elected he will work to negate those particular taxes from payment.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: James] #6958940
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Originally Posted by James
Since taxes are set by Congress, how can Trump terminate them?

This is an election ploy.

Jim



He isn't terminating them.He is deferring them at this point.

His statement goes on to say that he will instruct the Secretary of the Treasury to work towards LEGISLATION to eliminate those particular taxes permanently. That means he expects Congress to do it........not his EO


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958945
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So how much will they have to print to payout the SSI benefits? That tax generated the revenue for that program plus some extra the government could borrow. Maybe he can defer those payments too? smile


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: James] #6958962
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Originally Posted by James
Why do people making $99,999 per year need help?

It's the people who've lost their jobs that need help.

Jim


That is the exact point. Go get a job and you will receive the benefits of your labor instead of those who do not work enjoying the benefits of your labor. You know, anti socialist/ pro worker. LLL


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