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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958720
08/09/20 05:05 AM
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Even Obama wouldn't do it, on his world apology tour.


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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958721
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I used to have a friend and neighbor that was a WWII vet. I didn't know he had fought in WWII till one afternoon I was in his house and we were getting ready to go fishing. A woman on TV said the U.S. should apologize. Bud got so mad I was literally afraid he would have a heart attack. I found out that when he graduated from high school he went in the Army. After his training he went to the Philippines with MacArthur to retake it. He never said much about the battles but he told me after the islands were re-taken they began training for the invasion of Japan. He told me they were not looking forward to it. He was upset for the next few years till he died that there were Americans who thought we owed Japan an apology. For me his opinion on the matter is plenty good enough.


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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958730
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An apology would make it all ok, I guess? Completely pointless.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958731
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Maybr a thank you......imagine a full scale American invasion of that island and the millions that wouodve died directly and indirectly rather than just destroying 2 cities.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958736
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Honest question. Speaking from the perspective of an allied nation, I think the world would agree Hiroshima was, sadly, a necessity. However, what about Iraq?

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958737
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Did they apologize for Pearl Harbor?

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958739
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The U.S. used the two nuclear bombs to end the war with Japan before we had to invade the home islands and sustain unfathomable loss of life on both sides, which would have happened. The two bombs were the only way we could get the emperor's attention to end the war.
The question posed here is should the U.S. apologize to the Japanese ? In my opinion, no. Historically, the Japanese mindset prior to, and leading up to WWII, was totally different than ours. They worshipped the emperor because they believed he was a living god. Their honor meant more to them than their lives and they believed dying in battle was honorable and thought nothing of it.

My destroyer needed repairs, so we were directed to Sasebo, Japan (located on the lower island of Kyushu), into drydock there for about 6-7 weeks. I observed the Japanese yard workers gather together every morning before they began work, performing calisthenics as a large group, then they would begin work.......and work they did !
They did very good work on my ship, much better than I observed back here in the States later on.

While in Sasebo, I had an opportunity to tour Nagasaki, about 2 1/2 hours away by bus. While in Nagasaki, I stood at "ground zero", which is a memorial garden or park. While there I felt like the local citizens there were not happy with us American sailors there. I suppose I didn't feel any different several months before standing in reverance in the USS Arizona Memorial with many Japanese tourists.

No, I don't honestly believe we owe Japan an apology as I believe we did what we felt we needed to do to end the war, but we should show respect to other people and other cultures, including Japan. They have changed their ways since WWII and are a strong ally in the Pacific.

Sorry for rambling..

Vic











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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958741
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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958743
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i say we just save them hundreds on their car insurance. wink










Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958750
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Originally Posted by James
I say no.

But that doesn't mean we can't express sympathy for the survivors and regret for all the war dead on both sides.

Jim


(This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) No !!

Two bombs weren't enough.

Like Admiral Bull Halsey Said,

And had painted in red paint three feet high,
on the sea wall at Tulagi during the Guadalcanal Campaign:

"Kill Japs, Kill Japs, Kill More Japs !!!!! "

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/books/chapters/0107/-1st-thoma.html


The Japs started it.

The United States finished it.

The butcher's bill for the War
in the Pacific on American Boys
was horrific.

The atrocities the Japs committed
on United States P.O.W.'s were unspeakable.

The Atomic Barbecue was an unmistakable
warning to the Japs that we meant business,
and we would resort to whatever measures
necessary to bring the war to a quick close
without any more American boys dying.

The Japs got what they richly deserved.

All in my opinion.

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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958760
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Absolutely not. IMO dropping the bombs saved the Japanese people from annihilation. The Japanese populous was completely indoctrinated in the idea that it was their sacred duty to the emperor to die defending the empire, to the extent that old men, women, and children would have fought our troops with sticks and stones if that was all they had. In other words, every Japanese civilian capable of standing would have become a war fighter if we had invaded the mainland and our troops would have had to kill them just as we had to kill virtually every member of the Japanese military on the island campaign. If that had occurred the Japanese people would have been virtually annihilated. Dropping the bombs effected a cultural "reset" and allowed the war to be brought to an end. Note that at the time the Japanese still had a million man army in northern China fighting the Russians.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958762
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Pap was there at the time. He said the people thanked him.
They gave him trinkets.
That's all I can say as his English was even worse than mine.





Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958767
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My Father a WWII vet, spent his end to the war in Okinawa. In our family home, in the attic after mom passed in 1996, dad passed in 86. I found 2 laundry baskets containing what seems every letter and envelope dad sent mom from his time in the service. Starting with boot camp after the draft, ending with boarding a train in San Francisco to come home for good. I have given to my two kids and my deceased brothers kids, nieces and nephews many of the letters and airmail military envelopes as keepsakes. I have kept a couple special ones. One that I kept was a goodbye, "I will always love you letter" written by my father prior to boarding ships with landing craft to commence the invasion of mainland Japan. They were final letters, all but required of the boys going to a battle of all battles. The ink runs and smudges are I am certain mom and grandmas tears. Another letter dealt with Japans surrender and joy of coming home. If not for the bombing of Mainland Japan, I my 3 brothers, my kids and grandkids, nieces, nephews along with great grandchildren, great nieces and nephews would not be here. Apologize if you feel the need, I for one am glad we pushed the button on the bomb bay doors. Mom and dads favorite song was by the Andrew Sisters, " Don't sit under the apple tree" Stephen A Darling WWII, US Army 1942-1946


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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958769
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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958771
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No. Knock over a beehive, you’re gonna rile up the bees and you’re going to get stung. No half measures.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: Bigbrownie] #6958772
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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
No. Knock over a beehive, you’re gonna rile up the bees and you’re going to get stung. No half measures.

As was said, after Pearl Harbor. "We have woke a sleeping giant"


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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958773
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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958775
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How about we post a great big sign somewhere saying that everyone who ever lived apopogizes to everyone who ever lived, and those who never got a chance to live (aborted), for anything and everything we may have done to harm or offend you.
Then let's move on.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958776
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Curious why the question is even asked?

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: corky] #6958781
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Originally Posted by corky
Curious why the question is even asked?


A Turd Stirrer was looking for sympathy.

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