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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958915
08/09/20 11:07 AM
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I think internee's of the U.S. camps were paid reparations of 20,000 dollars back in the 80's. I see no reason to apologize to them twice. I also think that out of the thousands of internee's it is likely there were a half dozen loyalists to the Emperor of Japan. That internment likely prevented the sabotage of a rail station or power plant or three.


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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958917
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no!!,,,,,,most don't know it......there were experimental jet aircraft that the japs had,,,,,which was far superior to the mustangs or corsairs we had at the time. they were undoubtly shared secrets from the Nazis...and from my understanding,,,,,,,japan was was close to producing by the hundreds.........couple that , with an invasion on the japenese mainlaind......things could have possibly been disastrous for the united states........even far worse , was the Nazis were working on a nuke bomb as well..................I don't doubt the japs got some info on that as well. we had to act...and act swiftly!! thank god we had men with backbones on every level during that time.........

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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: crosspatch] #6958919
08/09/20 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by crosspatch
Originally Posted by EdP
Absolutely not. IMO dropping the bombs saved the Japanese people from annihilation. The Japanese populous was completely indoctrinated in the idea that it was their sacred duty to the emperor to die defending the empire, to the extent that old men, women, and children would have fought our troops with sticks and stones if that was all they had. In other words, every Japanese civilian capable of standing would have become a war fighter if we had invaded the mainland and our troops would have had to kill them just as we had to kill virtually every member of the Japanese military on the island campaign. If that had occurred the Japanese people would have been virtually annihilated. Dropping the bombs effected a cultural "reset" and allowed the war to be brought to an end. Note that at the time the Japanese still had a million man army in northern China fighting the Russians.


Russia declared war on Japan on Aug. 8'45. The next day they attacked. The war was effectively over at the time of course but Russia was after long disputed Japanese territory some of which was allocated to them once the post war paper work was sorted out.

It is often said the Americans beat the Japanese in WWII. More the truth the Americans were the deciding factor. The Chinese were fighting a Japanese invasion since the 30's and the British Empire and others e.g. Netherlands fought a long slogging war with the Japanese in SE Asia throughout e.g. Burma, Malaysia, New Guinea etc. As Germany collapsed in 1945 the British Empire progressivly directed more forces to SE Asia and Pacific operations against the Japanese.

The last Victoria Cross, the Empire's highest award for bravery, was awarded to a Canadian fighter pilot KIA August 9 1945. He was shot down in Japanese near coastal waters in an action against Japanese naval forces.

Another Canadian downplaying an American war victory.....Shocker!


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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958920
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No reason to apologize to Japan.

Should apologize to Eastern Europe for helping the Soviets conquer them. Third bomb should of hit Russia if they refused to withdraw from Eastern Europe.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958924
08/09/20 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by James
Nah, I'd make a terrible community organizer. Cant even get anyone to like me here.

Jim


You say some interesting things, so I like you.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958935
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If there is any apologizing to be done it should start a lot closer to home. Like apologizing to the families that have had to loose loved ones to keep this nation free, and the best place on earth to live. Or, apologizing to the countless good law enforcement officers that have had to put up with physical and verbal abuse over the past couple of months because one officer made bad decisions and a bunch of mayors and governors have no backbone.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958959
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Ky-coyote-hunter: Boco will deal with you!

I knew 2 different Canadians who were new recruits to the Canadian Army (infantry) in 1945. Both were told their first stop would be Japan. Both were very thankful for the results of atomic bombings.

Boco if you read this one of above was Alex Van Bibber from the Yukon. Ran into Alex at a number of trapper meetings. Yukon's equivalent of Ralph Bice.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958960
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The question is out there......really just out there beyond normal thinking. Typical liberal mental deficit thinking.
My uncle died on the bataan death march.


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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958964
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Nope...

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958974
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It seems like every August, especially when the anniversary of the bombing happens on a five or ten year gap, this issue arises. In my opinion this falls under the same historical umbrella as a lot of other issues, where the past is judged by contemporary thinking. Chis Wallace just wrote a book on this very subject "Countdown 1945". It examines this issue in the context of the time and goes into the debate, AT THE TIME, on whether to drop the bomb or not. Some folks promote the idea that the decision was just a knee jerk reaction by a new president as revenge for Pearl Harbor, something not supported by the facts AT THAT TIME.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958978
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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958979
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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6958981
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only after Japan apologizes for Pearl Harbor, their invasions of other countries, their prison camp treatment of our soldiers, and the death march at Batan.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6959001
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Nope.

Who drew first blood?

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6959028
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No need to apologize for something beyond our control


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Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: hippie] #6959029
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Originally Posted by hippie
Nope.

Who drew first blood?

American pilots flying American planes were shooting down Japanese planes over China before Japan hit Pearl Harbor. It was a tit for tat situation before Pearl Harbor.

None of that really matters though, once you are in a war you fight it to win and that is what the U.S did with the bombs.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6959039
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by hippie
Nope.

Who drew first blood?

American pilots flying American planes were shooting down Japanese planes over China before Japan hit Pearl Harbor. It was a tit for tat situation before Pearl Harbor.

None of that really matters though, once you are in a war you fight it to win and that is what the U.S did with the bombs.


Which started with Japan invading Manchuria I believe?

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6959045
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Perhaps James started this thread to bring out the stories of why we should not apologize. Another 10 years and there won't be many left who remember these stories. No one will remember why we dropped those bombs. Liberals will keep the question of an apology going every year!

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6959053
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A man I knew when I was a boy, (he was a friend of Dad's) was in the Marines during WWII. I don't remember what island he was on when the bomb was dropped, but he was glad to hear about it. His outfit had just finished clearing some of the South Pacific islands, and they were gearing up to invade Japan. According to him the A-bomb was the reason he was still here.

I wish I had paid more attention to Roy's stories when I was a boy. He could give good history lessons because he lived through it.

Re: Should the US apologize for Hiroshima? [Re: James] #6959054
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WW2, the US knew how to win wars, I'm not sure the powers that be have the stomach for it anymore. No apologies, in fact most of the world should be kissing America's backside for saving it countless times.

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