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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959033
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I don't know why y'all worry about Trump's executive orders. The judicial branch of the political left, SCOTUS, will find this EO unconstitutional. Trump knows it's unconstitutional as well as most should. It's simply a political move. When EO's are made by the left, CA and NV governor's EO's for example, then that is the time to worry because their judicial branch(SCOTUS) will uphold their EO's.


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Can someone explain how it is unconstitutional ?


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Originally Posted by SleekOtter
Even if it'll make us owe money come tax season I'd always rather owe than be owed. Why give the government an interest free loan of your own hard earned money when you could invest it and make something off it instead for the year?


You can do that if you wish. There's no law I know of that requires you to have your employer withhold it for you, although it's highly recommended for obvious reasons.

It would be a disaster overall to expect the public as a whole to do it tho which is why I don't think this is a good idea if it MIGHT have to be played later.

I pay once a year, but could do quarterly like most others that are also self employed.

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: danny clifton] #6959044
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
who wins the prize for the greatest deficit increase. trump or obama?


Without opening your link it won't even be close if Trump gets reelected.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
who wins the prize for the greatest deficit increase. trump or obama?

Obama, of course, since he has taken credit for everything that has happened since Trump took possession of the office.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959047
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Yet less on our national debt. (Until we see where this year ends)

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959055
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
So I'm sure most of you heard about Trump's executive order today. Now, economics isn't my strong suit, but if they stop taking federal payroll taxes out of our checks, won't we end up owing more at tax time? Or am I missing something?


I just watched Mnuchin on tv and here's what he said, which backs what your thinking.

This is a deferment only. Minchin said that if Trump is re-elected, he will "try" to push through legislation that will forgive the tax owed.
Trump doesn't have the power to forgive it from what he was saying.

If your given the money, he best to save it in case you have to pay it at tax time..

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: SleekOtter] #6959099
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Originally Posted by SleekOtter
Even if it'll make us owe money come tax season I'd always rather owe than be owed. Why give the government an interest free loan of your own hard earned money when you could invest it and make something off it instead for the year?


I am with you on this. I would much rather cut the government a check for $15000+ than get a few bucks back. But the problem is that most people can not save money and would not have it come 4-15. Most people want to live outside of their means. Nobody wants to save for anything, they want to borrow for it. They will do that until they are living paycheck to paycheck. I doubt there are very many people that have six months worth of living expenses in their savings. I know I could go well over a year. I know only a couple people that could make six months, most wouldn't have anything after a couple weeks.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959169
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So now my question is will it automatically cease to be removed from our paychecks, or is it something you would have to request? Either way, it seems the best thing to do would be to take the deferment (if it's optional) and deposit it into it's own separate account to keep till tax time to see what happens.


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Originally Posted by white17
Can someone explain how it is unconstitutional ?

I don't know that it is unconstitutional. Congress makes law but I'm not sure if an executive order is considered law. You seem well educated with this subject. Care to opine on whether unconstitutional or not?


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Was it unconstitutional when Obama did DACA

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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
So now my question is will it automatically cease to be removed from our paychecks, or is it something you would have to request? Either way, it seems the best thing to do would be to take the deferment (if it's optional) and deposit it into it's own separate account to keep till tax time to see what happens.

It's not likely to go into effect until September anyway, and the court injunction that will result from the Democrats will put a hold on any action for the short term. In other words, it's not something to worry about for now. My guess is that this forces the hand of the Democrats to come up with something reasonable enough for Trump to sign. That in-and-of-itself is worrisome. Any sort of compromise with the Democrats will surely mean bad news for conservatives going into the election and beyond.

I like Trump better when he's backed into a corner than when he's playing footsie with Pelosi, Schumer and RINOs.

Short answer: you'll have plenty of time to figure this out before any of this goes into effect if at all.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: concrete man] #6959215
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Originally Posted by concrete man
Was it unconstitutional when Obama did DACA


That's different because DACA was passed by Congress, before Obama signed the bill into law.

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: James] #6959238
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by concrete man
Was it unconstitutional when Obama did DACA


That's different because DACA was passed by Congress, before Obama signed the bill into law.

Jim

Wrong again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals#:~:text=Unlike%20the%20proposed%20DREAM%20Act,program%20on%20August%2015%2C%202012.

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The Obama administration chose to deploy DACA by Executive Branch memorandum—despite the fact that Congress affirmatively rejected such a program in the normal legislative process on multiple occasions. The constitutionality of this action has been widely questioned since its inception.

DACA’s criteria were overly broad, and not intended to apply only to children. Under the categorical criteria established in the June 15, 2012 memorandum, individuals could apply for deferred action if they had come to the U.S. before their 16th birthday; were under age 31; had continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007; and were in school, graduated or had obtained a certificate of completion from high school, obtained a General Educational Development (GED) certificate, or were an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States. Significantly, individuals were ineligible if they had been convicted of a felony or a significant misdemeanor, but were considered eligible even if they had been convicted of up to two other misdemeanors.

The Attorney General sent a letter to the Department on September 4, 2017, articulating his legal determination that DACA “was effectuated by the previous administration through executive action, without proper statutory authority and with no established end-date, after Congress' repeated rejection of proposed legislation that would have accomplished a similar result. Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch.” The letter further stated that because DACA “has the same legal and constitutional defects that the courts recognized as to DAPA, it is likely that potentially imminent litigation would yield similar results with respect to DACA.”

Based on this analysis, the President was faced with a stark choice: do nothing and allow for the probability that the entire DACA program could be immediately enjoined by a court in a disruptive manner, or instead phase out the program in an orderly fashion. On September 5, 2017, Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Duke issued a memorandum (1) rescinding the June 2012 memo that established DACA, and (2) setting forward a plan for phasing out DACA. The result of this phased approach is that the Department of Homeland Security will provide a limited window in which it will adjudicate certain requests for DACA and associated applications for Employment Authorization Documents meeting parameters specified below.

On June 22, 2018, Secretary Nielsen issued a memorandum clarifying the Department's position.

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959386
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
So now my question is will it automatically cease to be removed from our paychecks, or is it something you would have to request? Either way, it seems the best thing to do would be to take the deferment (if it's optional) and deposit it into it's own separate account to keep till tax time to see what happens.


The payroll tax is not like the income tax or most other taxes. Your SSI payout is based on the amount you pay in. If you live long enough this tax is returned to you plus extra. This is actually a tax that you may want to pay. It probably benefits you to pay this tax when you are near retirement age. However, probably better not to pay it and spend it on beer or more trapping junk you don't need. smile


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Corky: you are correct. I was thinking of the ACA, Affordable Care Act.

Sorry for the mistake.

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P.S. - I think DACA was unconstitutional.

But one president doing an unconstitutional act doesn't excuse another president's unconstitutional act.

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