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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958980
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Don't worry Jim, every day Trump does some socialist or fiscally stupid stuff, real Conservatives recognize it for what it is.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958989
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LMAO


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6958999
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IMO, people shouldn't do this. IF they have to pay it at a later date, I doubt very very few will be ab!e to.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959002
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Even if it'll make us owe money come tax season I'd always rather owe than be owed. Why give the government an interest free loan of your own hard earned money when you could invest it and make something off it instead for the year?

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959015
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Whatever else it may be, it's clearly a political move and a very smart one at that. It sets up a stark contrast between a bickering and failing Congress whose sole interests are mired in power politics and President Trump who cuts through the partisan nonsense and gets it done for the American people with the stroke of a pen.

You may disagree with the move, see it as cynical, politically self serving, unconstitutional, or whatever.... None of that matters. The point is that the contrast has nevertheless been made and is unambiguous.

Once again, the Democrats gave Trump everything he needed. That contrast will grow and solidify when the Democrats challenge it in the courts, and Trump will be given a ready-made platform to do what he does best.

As some of his critics on the Left have said over and over since this all started, Trump is out-lefting the Left. While that may be distasteful for conservatives in the short term, it's shrewd political gamesmanship in the long term.

It's a beautiful thing.

Note: I kinda wish RoyTOOdum was still around to call me a closeted liberal or worse a Democrat, but I have no doubt someone here will carry his torch. laugh

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959020
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who wins the prize for the greatest deficit increase. trump or obama?


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959024
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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959033
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I don't know why y'all worry about Trump's executive orders. The judicial branch of the political left, SCOTUS, will find this EO unconstitutional. Trump knows it's unconstitutional as well as most should. It's simply a political move. When EO's are made by the left, CA and NV governor's EO's for example, then that is the time to worry because their judicial branch(SCOTUS) will uphold their EO's.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959041
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Can someone explain how it is unconstitutional ?


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: SleekOtter] #6959042
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Originally Posted by SleekOtter
Even if it'll make us owe money come tax season I'd always rather owe than be owed. Why give the government an interest free loan of your own hard earned money when you could invest it and make something off it instead for the year?


You can do that if you wish. There's no law I know of that requires you to have your employer withhold it for you, although it's highly recommended for obvious reasons.

It would be a disaster overall to expect the public as a whole to do it tho which is why I don't think this is a good idea if it MIGHT have to be played later.

I pay once a year, but could do quarterly like most others that are also self employed.

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: danny clifton] #6959044
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
who wins the prize for the greatest deficit increase. trump or obama?


Without opening your link it won't even be close if Trump gets reelected.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: danny clifton] #6959046
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
who wins the prize for the greatest deficit increase. trump or obama?

Obama, of course, since he has taken credit for everything that has happened since Trump took possession of the office.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959047
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Yet less on our national debt. (Until we see where this year ends)

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959055
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
So I'm sure most of you heard about Trump's executive order today. Now, economics isn't my strong suit, but if they stop taking federal payroll taxes out of our checks, won't we end up owing more at tax time? Or am I missing something?


I just watched Mnuchin on tv and here's what he said, which backs what your thinking.

This is a deferment only. Minchin said that if Trump is re-elected, he will "try" to push through legislation that will forgive the tax owed.
Trump doesn't have the power to forgive it from what he was saying.

If your given the money, he best to save it in case you have to pay it at tax time..

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: SleekOtter] #6959099
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Originally Posted by SleekOtter
Even if it'll make us owe money come tax season I'd always rather owe than be owed. Why give the government an interest free loan of your own hard earned money when you could invest it and make something off it instead for the year?


I am with you on this. I would much rather cut the government a check for $15000+ than get a few bucks back. But the problem is that most people can not save money and would not have it come 4-15. Most people want to live outside of their means. Nobody wants to save for anything, they want to borrow for it. They will do that until they are living paycheck to paycheck. I doubt there are very many people that have six months worth of living expenses in their savings. I know I could go well over a year. I know only a couple people that could make six months, most wouldn't have anything after a couple weeks.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959169
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So now my question is will it automatically cease to be removed from our paychecks, or is it something you would have to request? Either way, it seems the best thing to do would be to take the deferment (if it's optional) and deposit it into it's own separate account to keep till tax time to see what happens.

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Originally Posted by white17
Can someone explain how it is unconstitutional ?

I don't know that it is unconstitutional. Congress makes law but I'm not sure if an executive order is considered law. You seem well educated with this subject. Care to opine on whether unconstitutional or not?


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959193
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Was it unconstitutional when Obama did DACA

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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
So now my question is will it automatically cease to be removed from our paychecks, or is it something you would have to request? Either way, it seems the best thing to do would be to take the deferment (if it's optional) and deposit it into it's own separate account to keep till tax time to see what happens.

It's not likely to go into effect until September anyway, and the court injunction that will result from the Democrats will put a hold on any action for the short term. In other words, it's not something to worry about for now. My guess is that this forces the hand of the Democrats to come up with something reasonable enough for Trump to sign. That in-and-of-itself is worrisome. Any sort of compromise with the Democrats will surely mean bad news for conservatives going into the election and beyond.

I like Trump better when he's backed into a corner than when he's playing footsie with Pelosi, Schumer and RINOs.

Short answer: you'll have plenty of time to figure this out before any of this goes into effect if at all.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: concrete man] #6959215
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Originally Posted by concrete man
Was it unconstitutional when Obama did DACA


That's different because DACA was passed by Congress, before Obama signed the bill into law.

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