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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959218
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I wouldnt want a congress full of Rand or Ron Paul's but wouldnt mind a couple more of them to rein things in



Rand Paul on Republican Plans for Another Coronavirus Stimulus Bill: 'They Simply Don't Care About the Debt'

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: James] #6959238
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by concrete man
Was it unconstitutional when Obama did DACA


That's different because DACA was passed by Congress, before Obama signed the bill into law.

Jim

Wrong again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals#:~:text=Unlike%20the%20proposed%20DREAM%20Act,program%20on%20August%2015%2C%202012.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959243
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The Obama administration chose to deploy DACA by Executive Branch memorandum—despite the fact that Congress affirmatively rejected such a program in the normal legislative process on multiple occasions. The constitutionality of this action has been widely questioned since its inception.

DACA’s criteria were overly broad, and not intended to apply only to children. Under the categorical criteria established in the June 15, 2012 memorandum, individuals could apply for deferred action if they had come to the U.S. before their 16th birthday; were under age 31; had continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007; and were in school, graduated or had obtained a certificate of completion from high school, obtained a General Educational Development (GED) certificate, or were an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States. Significantly, individuals were ineligible if they had been convicted of a felony or a significant misdemeanor, but were considered eligible even if they had been convicted of up to two other misdemeanors.

The Attorney General sent a letter to the Department on September 4, 2017, articulating his legal determination that DACA “was effectuated by the previous administration through executive action, without proper statutory authority and with no established end-date, after Congress' repeated rejection of proposed legislation that would have accomplished a similar result. Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch.” The letter further stated that because DACA “has the same legal and constitutional defects that the courts recognized as to DAPA, it is likely that potentially imminent litigation would yield similar results with respect to DACA.”

Based on this analysis, the President was faced with a stark choice: do nothing and allow for the probability that the entire DACA program could be immediately enjoined by a court in a disruptive manner, or instead phase out the program in an orderly fashion. On September 5, 2017, Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Duke issued a memorandum (1) rescinding the June 2012 memo that established DACA, and (2) setting forward a plan for phasing out DACA. The result of this phased approach is that the Department of Homeland Security will provide a limited window in which it will adjudicate certain requests for DACA and associated applications for Employment Authorization Documents meeting parameters specified below.

On June 22, 2018, Secretary Nielsen issued a memorandum clarifying the Department's position.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959247
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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959386
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
So now my question is will it automatically cease to be removed from our paychecks, or is it something you would have to request? Either way, it seems the best thing to do would be to take the deferment (if it's optional) and deposit it into it's own separate account to keep till tax time to see what happens.


The payroll tax is not like the income tax or most other taxes. Your SSI payout is based on the amount you pay in. If you live long enough this tax is returned to you plus extra. This is actually a tax that you may want to pay. It probably benefits you to pay this tax when you are near retirement age. However, probably better not to pay it and spend it on beer or more trapping junk you don't need. smile


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959414
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Corky: you are correct. I was thinking of the ACA, Affordable Care Act.

Sorry for the mistake.

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959419
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P.S. - I think DACA was unconstitutional.

But one president doing an unconstitutional act doesn't excuse another president's unconstitutional act.

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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959423
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I heard that trump executive order well cause a zero chance of another $1200 stimlous. So idk less about executive orders now

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: Dirt] #6959439
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
So now my question is will it automatically cease to be removed from our paychecks, or is it something you would have to request? Either way, it seems the best thing to do would be to take the deferment (if it's optional) and deposit it into it's own separate account to keep till tax time to see what happens.


The payroll tax is not like the income tax or most other taxes. Your SSI payout is based on the amount you pay in. If you live long enough this tax is returned to you plus extra. This is actually a tax that you may want to pay. It probably benefits you to pay this tax when you are near retirement age. However, probably better not to pay it and spend it on beer or more trapping junk you don't need. smile


The more people comment on here the more confused I get. So the money that will not be taken out, is NOT the money that is normally taken out and given back as a refund in April if they tax you more than what you are supposed to pay in?

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959440
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I would like to see a journalist ask Biden this question. If you were to be elected President will you require The uncollected federal taxes be paid back that president Trump left in the pockets of working Americans?

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959464
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His executive orders don't benifit me, idk less

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: Catpincher] #6959496
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Originally Posted by Catpincher
I would like to see a journalist ask Biden this question. If you were to be elected President will you require The uncollected federal taxes be paid back that president Trump left in the pockets of working Americans?


Biden's response: "C'mon man! I like cheese."

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: James] #6959510
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Originally Posted by James
P.S. - I think DACA was unconstitutional.

But one president doing an unconstitutional act doesn't excuse another president's unconstitutional act.

Jim


To be fair. Bummer was and is anti American. Trump isn't. Trump did more for us in one term than bummer ever did. Both are facts.. My opinion. Bummer beat out Jimmy Carter for worst president ever.

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959511
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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959514
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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: danny clifton] #6959518
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who wins the prize for the greatest deficit increase. trump or obama?

Neither.
The correct response to this Jeopardy answer is, "Who is Xi Jinping of China."
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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: J Staton] #6959529
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Originally Posted by J Staton
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Can someone explain how it is unconstitutional ?

I don't know that it is unconstitutional. Congress makes law but I'm not sure if an executive order is considered law. You seem well educated with this subject. Care to opine on whether unconstitutional or not?



I think some parts may be unconstitutional, the $400 unemployment specifically, but that doesn't mean a court will rule that way.

Daca is clearly unconstitutional and even the guy who signed it said so.......three times. But we are living with it nevertheless.


It seems to me that the way to look at this is that Trump is the head of the executive branch. The Secretary of the Treasury is subordinate to Trump.

Trump has instructed Mnuchin to use HIS ( Mnuchin's ) authority to issue guidelines that defer collection and payment of FICA taxes at this time.

But it is pretty obvious that Trump is acting because Congress refused. He even alludes to that in his statement.

But again..........Obama did exactly the same as Trump when he signed both Daca and DAPA.

Here is Obama's statement'

"And to those members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill. I want to work with both parties to pass a more permanent legislative solution. And the day I sign that bill into law, the actions I take will no longer be necessary."

Obama also said...."Where Congress won't act, I will" May 17,2014

Clearly, IMO, Trump would have been smart and cagey had he quoted Obama in this new executive order. Which, by the way there is only one executive order.....the one about evictions. The other three items are Presidential memoranda.

So, IMO some may be unconstitutional but may be allowed to stand. SCOTUS has sent a pretty clear message from Roberts to the lower courts that Trump's agenda is to be blocked at every turn. I suspect we will see the judicial double standard on display again.
I like what Trump did from a tactical standpoint. But In general I think executive orders are a dangerous road.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959612
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Payroll Tax.

"Every payday, 7.65% of your wages are subtracted from your paycheck to fund Social Security and Medicare (6.2% for Social Security; 1.45% for Medicare). Your employer pays an equivalent amount of tax. For 2020, the Social Security tax is only levied on the first $137,700 of earnings; however, an additional 0.9% Medicare tax is collected on wages over $200,000 for the year.

There's also concerned about the impact on Social Security and Medicare, which are already dealing with financial issues. Since payroll taxes fund the two programs, many people are worried about the long-term effects of diverting money away from these two social safety nets.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, however, says that Social Security and Medicare funding won't drop. Money will be transferred from the federal government's general fund to the Social Security and Medicare trust funds to cover any payroll tax amounts not collected, according to Mnuchin."

FYI 36% of the Federal Government's revenue comes from the Payroll Tax.


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Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959616
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I hear not much chance of another $1200 stimlous because trump executive order, stimlous is supposed be dead deal

Re: Trump's executive order [Re: yotetrapper30] #6959621
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Coonman,I doubt that it's dead.Both President Trump and the Dems were for it. The presidents actions will likely spur more action from the dems on getting some kind of compromise.
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