Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: BillyTraps]
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I fully support the police. This is a great example why they need better training in order to be more successful. Mental, emotion in addition to tactical.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: BillyTraps]
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08/10/20 04:15 PM
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1 more second and the cop would have realized it too.
If the dude was black he would have gotten that extra second ........I suspect
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: Pike River]
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I fully support the police. This is a great example why they need better training in order to be more successful. Mental, emotion in addition to tactical. 2x. I agree.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: BillyTraps]
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I think the police had itchy trigger fingers. The guy was in the process of setting the handgun down in my opinion. I never saw him make an aggressive move with it. As far as coming to the door with it, their are too many unknowns. If it was loud inside, he may have only heard someone beating on the door. He probably looked through the peephole but the police stand to the side of that. It is his home and he has the right to defend himself. If all I hear is someone beating at the door, I'll be armed also. However, I wouldn't answer in the first place until I knew who was out there. I consider this a bad shoot and the police should be held accountable for it. Merely holding a gun is not a justifiable reason for being shot when that gun was not being used in a threating manor and I saw no threat in this video.
One other note, the guy calling 911 sounded like a real jerk. To me it sounded like he was mad because they were being loud and told the dispatch it was escalating just to get the police there when that was not the case. I'm doubting it was even a domestic, it didn't look that way. I hope the guy that started this mess thinks about it a little.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: BillyTraps]
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08/10/20 04:33 PM
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It's a bad shoot that will have no repercussions for the Officers involved. I normally lean towards the cops side but the guy was in the process of complying with commands. Officer should lose his job with comments that send him looking for another line of work.
On another note- Sounds like the neighbor swatted them.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
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08/10/20 04:34 PM
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you cant blame the cop for not waiting till he pointed it.
why would you go through a door if you thought someone dangerous was waiting on you? it makes no sense. i realize options are limited in an apartment to size up the threat from a different place so why would you go through the door if you felt threatened enough to want a gun in your hand?
jumpy cop met bonehead citizen. same old story same old outcome
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
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you cant blame the cop for not waiting till he pointed it.
why would you go through a door if you thought someone dangerous was waiting on you? it makes no sense. i realize options are limited in an apartment to size up the threat from a different place so why would you go through the door if you felt threatened enough to want a gun in your hand?
jumpy cop met bonehead citizen. same old story same old outcome I disagree. The guy was being passive as soon as he realized it was the police. He had his had up and was in the process of squatting to set the gun on the floor when he was shot. I have answered the door at night with a gun in the small of my back when I wasn't expecting anyone (not in my hand). There are plenty of crazy people out there, he was in his own home and had every right regardless if you agree. I would charge the police that shot with manslaughter from the evidence I saw in the video.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
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you cant blame the cop for not waiting till he pointed it.
why would you go through a door if you thought someone dangerous was waiting on you? it makes no sense. i realize options are limited in an apartment to size up the threat from a different place so why would you go through the door if you felt threatened enough to want a gun in your hand?
jumpy cop met bonehead citizen. same old story same old outcome As A cutizan it is your right to make bone head decisions. As a free citizen it is his right to come out his door any way he wants. This was a Hit, assasination or murder. There is absolutely no way to justify shooting the guy, no way.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: AntiGov]
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Looks like he was blinded by the flash light , and was directly following orders by putting the gun down on the floor . Looks like he was shot before he could complete the request I've watched this several times now and never hear them tell him to put the gun down. They just keep saying Hands Hands Hands. Which is what he should have done. Put his hands in the air, and then notified the police that he was armed.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
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08/10/20 05:35 PM
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Looks like the guy expected to find a grumpy neighbor that had pounded on the door because of the loud noise coming from the apartment . I bet he's had neighbors complain to him before and he was going out to show the neighbor who is the boss. I usually back the police but not this one with the victim going to the ground and hands out as ordered. IMO.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: BillyTraps]
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08/10/20 05:43 PM
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He did not just open the door, he came out of the room in an aggressive manor. He is in the hall way, he is not protecting his property. The tape will have a great bearing on the case. At the end of the day he is still not longer with us.
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: BillyTraps]
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08/10/20 06:01 PM
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Seems pretty simple....cops knock on your door and say police and he comes flying out with a pistol in hand...not sure what is confusing about this? That is a sure fire way to get shot 100% of the time. Does anyone one here answer their door in this way when the cops stop by. sounds like there is more to the story than he was up past bed time. Hiding a gun behind his back and falling back to the door after acting aggressive...most likely would have got back inside the door and started shooting or a million other bad things...potential hostage situations....who knows! There is always way more to story than a video clip...i dont understand how anyone thinks they can judge officers in situations from the comfort of their home. Looks like there was a threat with a weapon and it was neutralized. If he was to go inside and started shooting from cover everyone on here would say the cops should have shot him from the start....
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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion?
[Re: BillyTraps]
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08/10/20 06:09 PM
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So anyone with a gun should be deemed a threat and shot on site ......lol
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