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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960390
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Lets look at this as if it were a training exercise. Scenerio 1 - Suspect storms out hides his gun behind his back and then complys when cops pull a gun on him...nothing happens and suspect is detained. Scenerio 2 - Suspect storms out with hides gun behind his back and gets shot. Scenerio 3 - Suspect comes storming out with gun hides it behind his back to buy himself time to fall back towards his door and then opens fire on 2 cops while they refrained until shots are fired at them. One cop is dead other is wounded and shooter is on the loose....all 3 scenerios are very likely possibilities. Which one is going to happen. Now everyone here has to decide that right now in the next one second what to do...

Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: TrappedOut] #6960396
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Originally Posted by TrappedOut
Lets look at this as if it were a training exercise. Scenerio 1 - Suspect storms out hides his gun behind his back and then complys when cops pull a gun on him...nothing happens and suspect is detained. Scenerio 2 - Suspect storms out with hides gun behind his back and gets shot. Scenerio 3 - Suspect comes storming out with gun hides it behind his back to buy himself time to fall back towards his door and then opens fire on 2 cops while they refrained until shots are fired at them. One cop is dead other is wounded and shooter is on the loose....all 3 scenerios are very likely possibilities. Which one is going to happen. Now everyone here has to decide that right now in the next one second what to do...

Or #4 police give commands, the guy starts to follow them and is shot anyway. Show me where this did not happen PLEASE!


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960397
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Why did he hide it behind his back?

Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: Lugnut] #6960398
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
It's real. It happened May 22, 2020 in Phoenix Arizona. The Police Dept. just released the video last month on July 15th.

There are two body cams, no third camera.

It sounds like the upstairs neighbor new it wasn't a domestic dispute but wanted the noise of the video game and the victim and his girlfriend to stop.

When he called 911 the second time and was asked if he thought it was turning violent he said, "It could be physical. I could say yeah if that makes anybody hurry on up. Get anybody here faster."

An innocent man is dead because a trigger happy cop shot him three times in the back as he was trying to comply with the cops orders.

How anybody can justify that shooting is beyond me.

^^^This^^^
It also appears the the victim expected someone other than the police to be at the door, like the neighbor perhaps? I'm guessing this wasn't the first time these two neighbors had butted heads. Regardless, the man is holding his hand up and going to his knees as he is shot multiple times.


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: TrappedOut] #6960402
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Originally Posted by TrappedOut
Why did he hide it behind his back?

Who cares. When did he threaten the officers? That's the question. When did this become a justifiable homicide? From the evidence presented, it wasn't. You have to look at the evidence, not feelings, or conjecture or what if's. The video is right there. What do you see?


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960403
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I think this is interesting the different opinions on this though. Neither are necessarily right or wrong. And we have time to think about it all in slow motion and we still cant agree lol

Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960404
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Some of you seem to have an awful lot invested in proving your "opinion" correct.

I won't bother to give mine, I don't want to take a million posts to defend it, geez.

Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960407
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Terribly sad situation for all involved.

Looks like he was starting to kneel and comply with the officers to me. On the other hand I'm not sure I would want to give a guy holding a gun enough time to raise it and shoot me.

Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: ~ADC~] #6960408
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Some of you seem to have an awful lot invested in proving your "opinion" correct.

I won't bother to give mine, I don't want to take a million posts to defend it, geez.

Will you please defend your opinion that you do not wish to give and opinion because in my opinion, that's the wrong opinion grin


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: Finster] #6960411
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Some of you seem to have an awful lot invested in proving your "opinion" correct.

I won't bother to give mine, I don't want to take a million posts to defend it, geez.

Will you please defend your opinion that you do not wish to give and opinion because in my opinion, that's the wrong opinion grin


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: ~ADC~] #6960418
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~

I'm not playing along. laugh

Is that opinion or fact? whistle


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: Finster] #6960421
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Originally Posted by Finster
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I'm not playing along. laugh

Is that opinion or fact? whistle

Hey me and finster are having a debate! Keep your lack of opinion out if this! Hahahaha

Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960422
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It's not illegal to hold a gun. The police officers did not even know if a crime had been committed. Even if a a domestic violence crime had been committed, the police can't shoot someone for just holding a gun. Police can't just shoot people they come in contact with, because they're holding a gun and the police officer is scared.

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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960425
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I can't tell if both cops fired. Anyone ??

I am also wondering if the cop who fired from behind him can actually see the guys right hand ??


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: white17] #6960447
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Originally Posted by white17
I can't tell if both cops fired. Anyone ??

I am also wondering if the cop who fired from behind him can actually see the guys right hand ??

The only officer shooting that I see is the one behind him. 3 shots and it seems that he is the only one showing recoil. By the shooting officers cam, I cannot really see the victims right hand. You can clearly see it by the other officers cam. Not being able to see the victims hand in my opinion would be worse. Now you are shooting someone on a guess? That's some pretty poor decision making. The officer that fired, in my opinion, should be brought up on manslaughter charges. It's not murder, it's not justifiable homicide and it's not involuntary manslaughter. Manslaughter seems to fit here and he should do some time. If I was on the grand jury with evidence here, I would vote to have him indicted.

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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: KeithC] #6960460
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Police can't just shoot people they come in contact with, because they're holding a gun and the police officer is scared.

Keith

Sure they can, they did in that video and people here say it's cool.

Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960466
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Did he drop the gun or was it still in his hand when shot.


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: Getting There] #6960475
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Did he drop the gun or was it still in his hand when shot.

Video doesn't show that I can see. What the video does show is that it was never pointed at any officer or even brought forward for that matter.


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: white17] #6960478
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Originally Posted by white17
I can't tell if both cops fired. Anyone ??

I am also wondering if the cop who fired from behind him can actually see the guys right hand ??


According to the articles I read only one cop fired. He fired three shots, two of which struck the victim in the back and killed him.


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Re: Police Shooting----What is Your Opinion? [Re: BillyTraps] #6960480
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Thanks !


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