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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6961825
08/12/20 08:03 AM
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Is he in the Trapper's Hall of Fame? If not, he should be.

Also if there are any trappers out there who are as good as he is for marketing trapping supplies, I would work with him on transferring his VHS tapes to CDs. I am sure they would sell like hotcakes

Last edited by andrews1958; 08/12/20 08:07 AM.
Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6961834
08/12/20 08:10 AM
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Tom Krause told me something in 1984 that I still remember. I told Tom I was starting a lure company, doing a few demos, writing a book or two at the time, and he said, "Welcome to the trapping world where 50% will love you and and the other 50% will compare you, judge you, or worse. Just work hard, and stay honest."

Tom represents trappers all over the world as few could imagine. I know I had no idea, where he speaks, and all that he has in his noggin.

Craig has ridden the rapids a very long time, and is worthy of trapper's respect in that regard alone.

While I've never taken personal instruction outside FTA College in the 1980's, I know plenty of solid trappers who've ridden with Mr. O'Gorman and they routinely feel he did them well. That's the mark of an excellent trapper/instructor. Craig is a one-of-a-kind, and our industry is better, much better, for having him aboard. I've never met him (I don't think), but respect his accomplishments in a tough, peaks and valleys, industry none-the-less.

May he keep hammering away!

Blessings,
Mark

Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6961852
08/12/20 08:32 AM
08/12/20 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by the Blak Spot
Thanks for the info.
I just get this vibe that he could out trap June, Dobbins, Lucero, Jepson, Grawe, Carmen, Derrick, etc. (i doubt it), but you dont see Junes or Lucero's books goin for $100 and up.


Mr. O'Gorman is a top-notch trapper, no doubt, and deserves a great deal of respect from trappers. He's built a legacy few can match and has done well with his marketing. As far as out-trapping other trappers, I'm sure there are many he could out-trap, but as mentioned, a lot has to do with animal population density, climate, etc. I do know that dad went to Broadus, MT to trap coyotes in 1978 and this was his 19 day catch.

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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6961860
08/12/20 08:42 AM
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Good post Paul. I love those old photos brother!

Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6961868
08/12/20 08:51 AM
08/12/20 08:51 AM
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I know what I am about to say is blasphemous, but...

I picked up a copy of Hoofbeats form a guy on here, read it, and re-sold it for what I paid for it. While there was some good info in it, it was not my favorite trapping book. Difficult to read and follow and poorly edited. If you live out west as he does I’m sure the info would be more applicable to you, but I found a disconnect between how he traps and how I have to trap here in the southeast. Trapping large sheep farms in rangeland is nothing like trapping in the woods on small, couple hundred acre properties. I was seriously considering traveling out there to take instruction but after reading the book I decided against it.

Got nothing against the man and I appreciate the influence and success he’s had. Just my two cents.


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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6961877
08/12/20 08:59 AM
08/12/20 08:59 AM
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I think the guy is probably great in three areas, trapping, lure making, and marketing. Some are great in one or two areas and maybe good in the other one or two areas but not all 3. I do understand he comes across as very confident and could see how that could rub some the wrong way but it doesn't disqualify his other skills.

Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6961898
08/12/20 09:26 AM
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Thanks for the posts. I have no beef with O'Gorman, but was curious why his writings sold for so much more.


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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6961920
08/12/20 10:03 AM
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Every word written on this thread might be correct but most of the information written has little or nothing to do with establishing value of his writings. There are lots of methods books that have little value. Some are poorly known or poorly written and that might have something to do with their value BUT mostly the determining factors are demand for the material and availabliity of the material. Some authors have few fans while others have many. In the case of Herb Lenon's books, they were published in 1946 and never reprinted or reproduced. The supply was always very limited and due to Lenon's legendary status as a Hall of Fame trapper, the demand for his books is greater than the supply, hence values that exceed most other trapping methods books. Books by most other trappers have been extensively reprinted so a book is easy to obtain for a reasonable price although a first edition of the same book might be very hard to find and expensive. Value(price) can be sharply affected by change in supply. A recent decision by Lucero to reprint several of his books is a example.

The OP specifically asked about O'Gorman books. In my opinion, the rather substantial values of his written materials are due to the popularity of him as a trapping legend and the rather limited availability of much of his (especially earlier)written works. His popularity is most easily understood when one looks at the prices obtained for his catalogs, some of which are not even annuals. His methods books were not produced in large numbers that were ever available for low prices as were many other books. With the starting prices of his written materials higher than most others, and with demand that has kept increasing over the years, the result is a pricing structure different from most of his contemporaries who have reprinted unlimited numbers of their books and sold as many as they could at relatively low prices.

Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: Savell] #6962015
08/12/20 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Savell
Originally Posted by teepee2
Could you autograph one for me, legible of course. laugh



... yes, but that’s a 25% up charge

And he'd probably keep your pen !!!
Dennis


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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962022
08/12/20 12:23 PM
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The American Dream is achieved through sacrifice, risk-taking, and hard work and that is what O'Gorman has done

Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962053
08/12/20 12:58 PM
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Excellent post cohunt.


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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: andrews1958] #6962221
08/12/20 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by andrews1958
The American Dream is achieved through sacrifice, risk-taking, and hard work and that is what O'Gorman has done


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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962246
08/12/20 05:21 PM
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O’gorman Rocks!!!!

Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962302
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Sometimes when something is high priced, you think its better, and sometimes it is......other times ya get what you paid for.

Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962362
08/12/20 07:48 PM
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Good people, I'm 3 hours from them.
My wife and i have been to there house a few times.
Got to see the mountain lion 's an penned coyotes.
About ten years ago i loaded up on wax for my waxed sand, got a good place to store it and getting ready to use the last 2 bags.
Be headed to broadus soon, for this coming spring anyway.


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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962454
08/12/20 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by the Blak Spot
Thanks for the info.
I just get this vibe that he could out trap June, Dobbins, Lucero, Jepson, Grawe, Carmen, Derrick, etc. (i doubt it), but you dont see Junes or Lucero's books goin for $100 and up.

there are very few men who have caught more coyotes then OG, including all the guys you mentioned.

Last edited by trapperne; 08/12/20 09:17 PM.

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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962471
08/12/20 09:29 PM
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I think I said it before-If you have never met the man (OG) you have really missed out. Very intelligent-very well spoken-down to earth. And yes he would out trap any of those mentioned above-hands down!! The man really is a legend!!

Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962477
08/12/20 09:36 PM
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....Ogorman parted the Red Sea to create a coyote travel corridor


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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: Savell] #6962556
08/12/20 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Savell
....Ogorman parted the Red Sea to create a coyote travel corridor

So it would seem to some people... grin


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Re: •••O'Gorman•••? [Re: the Blak Spot] #6962741
08/13/20 07:50 AM
08/13/20 07:50 AM

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Those of us who trap, make lure, and publish "how to materials" in the trapping industry in the late 20th and early 21st century are a small group compared to other vocations.
Fewer still make their living from it. Most times, it depends on what you desire as far as a lifestyle, or what your spouse (if married) may think.
Those, like OG, who've kept their rudder in the water for decades are the backbone of our industry.

Since I started, trappers seem to want to compare "who is best," or "who trapped more." I say; "Who cares." If you knew most, you can tell who works and who doesn't. Who is legit and who is sketchy. Trappers are really good at figuring out an animal's pattern and who sells good goo, etc.!

I've never said a disparaging word about another trap dealer, and I never would, because ours is an industry with a love for the outdoors that requires work beyond what most would do. I know. Or ask Ms. Donna.

God's speed to anyone who dares to trap hard, make goo, and sell how to goodies in a professional manner.
I wish we had more with young blood starting their own businesses, but we may be witnessing the Last of the Mohicans.
I hope not.

Blessings!
Mark

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