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Required Vaccination #6970312
08/21/20 09:02 PM
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COVID-19 vaccines could become mandatory. Here’s how it might work.
After a COVID-19 vaccine is available, you may need to get inoculated to go to the office, attend a sporting event, or even get a seat at a restaurant.
5 MINUTE READ
BY JILLIAN KRAMER

PUBLISHED AUGUST 19, 2020

YOU WALK TOWARD the arena, ready for a big game, tickets in hand. But what you see is a long line wrapping around the corner of the building and a bottleneck at the entrance as people search their pockets and purses for a small piece of paper. To be cleared to enter, you’ll also need that document—proof that you’ve received a COVID-19 vaccination.

This is the future as some experts see it: a world in which you’ll need to show you’ve been inoculated against the novel coronavirus to attend a sports game, get a manicure, go to work, or hop on a train.

“We’re not going to get to the point where the vaccine police break down your door to vaccinate you,” says Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at New York University’s School of Medicine. But he and several other health policy experts envision vaccine mandates could be instituted and enforced by local governments or employers—similar to the current vaccine requirements for school-age children, military personnel, and hospital workers.

In the United States, most vaccine mandates come from the government. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) makes recommendations for both pediatric and adult vaccines, and state legislatures or city councils determine whether to issue mandates. These mandates are most commonly tied to public school attendance, and all 50 states require students to receive some vaccines, with exemptions for medical, religious, and philosophical reasons.

Picture of army getting vaccinations
"Vaccination" by French painter Alfred Touchemolin, circa 1895. The painting depicts French army recruits being vaccinated with cowpox to protect them from the more virulent infection, smallpox.
PAINTING BY ALFRED TOUCHEMOLIN, UNVERSITAL HISTORY ARCHIVE/GETTY IMAGES
Adult vaccine mandates—compelling employees and the public to inoculate themselves—aren’t nearly as widespread, but they’re not unheard of. U.S. states and cities can and have forced compulsory vaccinations on citizens. In 1901, for example, Cambridge, Massachusetts, adopted a law that required all citizens aged 21 and older to get vaccinated against smallpox. Failure to comply could lead to a five-dollar fine, or the equivalent of $150 today. Those who challenged the order in court lost. (The last outbreak of smallpox in the U.S. occurred in 1949.)

Shirt, shoes, and inoculation required
Today, the U.S. military requires troops to be immunized against multiples diseases, including tetanus, diphtheria, hepatitis A, and polio. Several states require workers at healthcare facilities to be vaccinated against diseases such as pertussis, chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella. Hospital systems often require additional vaccinations as a condition of employment. And legally, all employers, in any industry, can compel their employees to get vaccinated.

The mandates can be directed toward customers, as well. Just as business owners can bar shoeless and shirtless clients from entering their restaurants, salons, arenas, and stores, they can legally keep people out for any number of reasons, “as long as they’re not running afoul of any antidiscrimination laws,” says Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, a professor of health and vaccine law at the University of California, Hastings College of the Law.

When a COVID-19 vaccine becomes available, some experts think states will require targeted industries to enforce vaccine mandates for their employees, especially those we’ve come to know as “essential workers.”

“Grocery store workers get exposed to a lot of people, but also have the chance to infect a lot of people because of the nature of their work and the fact that virtually everybody needs to buy food,” says Carmel Shachar, executive director of the Petrie-Flom Center for Health Law Policy, Biotechnology, and Bioethics at Harvard Law School. Hospitality industry workers—those who work in restaurants, bars, and coffee shops, for example—could also see similar mandates.

“It’s in an employer's interest to make sure that their workplace is protected and that you can't infect your colleagues,” Shachar says. “Having a widely accessible vaccine gets a lot of employers out of having to control their clients’ behavior.” And with a vaccinated workforce, “you don't need to worry if the people you're serving at the restaurant have COVID-19.”

Even the general public could be incentivized to get vaccinated. “Oddly enough, the best way to impose a mandate is to reward people with more freedom if they follow that mandate,” Caplan says. For example, with proof of inoculation, you would be able to attend a sporting event “as a reward for doing the right thing,” he says. “And I can imagine people saying, If you want to go to my restaurant, my bowling alley, or my tattoo parlor, then I want to see a vaccine certificate, too.”

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Booster shots could also be required, depending on the efficacy of future vaccines. Flu vaccines are effective about 70 percent of the time, says Lauren Grossman, professor of emergency medicine at the University of Colorado Denver, and new shots are needed each year. Yvonne Maldonado, a health policy professor at Stanford University, warns that any COVID-19 vaccine may not elicit lasting immunity and could require frequent boosters. If that’s the case, mandates would likely also include proof of booster shots.

Certified vaccinated
While the enforcement of such mandates wouldn’t be without its challenges, it would hardly be impossible or without precedent. To board an Emirates flight to Dubai today, for example, all passengers must present a negative COVID-19 test certificate. Once a vaccine is available, airlines could put in place sweeping regulations requiring COVID-19 vaccination certificates.

Reiss says federal laws could require proof of a COVID-19 vaccine to get a passport—which would then display an emblem showing your vaccination status. Driver’s licenses could be updated in a similar fashion, Caplan says. At work, employee badges could carry vaccination stickers, and a paper certificate from your doctor could serve as vaccine proof for public events.

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970317
08/21/20 09:06 PM
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Okay.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970318
08/21/20 09:07 PM
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I didn't read all



It's all leading up to a chip in the forehead , folks

It's not hard to see


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970322
08/21/20 09:10 PM
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No thank you.

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: Blaine County] #6970331
08/21/20 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
No thank you.



Yup, no thanks!

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970335
08/21/20 09:21 PM
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All of this put together is called brainwashing.

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970338
08/21/20 09:24 PM
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I didn't read all of that (yet); but if it's "mandatory", they can kiss my substantial buttocks...sounds too much like the "Mark of the Beast" for my taste.

just having it available, and it's likely I WOULD.

having said that, the last time I got the regular flu shot (about ten years ago); I got the flu. haven't had the shot (OR the flu) since!

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970346
08/21/20 09:30 PM
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If people go for that im going back to calling them sheep because they sure enough proved they are. You can kill an unborn baby because its your body and you can do what you want with it but you cant chose to get the vaccine for a mild virus

Last edited by Yes sir; 08/21/20 09:32 PM.
Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970348
08/21/20 09:31 PM
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Please bend over so we can stick you.

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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970349
08/21/20 09:32 PM
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Don't hve to get one, just can't do some things if this happens. Each to his own is what I say.

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970354
08/21/20 09:34 PM
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It was announced on the news tonight that every child in the state of Massachusetts is required to get a flu shot to attend school this year. I have little doubt, Covid-19 shots will be mandatory for going almost anywhere.

Keith

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970371
08/21/20 09:41 PM
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Not in this household.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970373
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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970384
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It may be time to stand up and put a foot down.....or something like that.

Biden/Harris will be a big problem for us when/if they win. We are already seeing the beginning of the end.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970388
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Well if there's no consequences for vaccine producers when their products cause harm, and they do, then there is no incentive for the vaccines to be made safer.

I'm not anti vax, but I have seen first hand some adverse medical problems following vaccinations. Medical community doesn't want to admit much about that though.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970399
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There is BIG $ in vaccinating the world.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970401
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I'll wait and buy forged papers.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970461
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china vaccine for the china virus.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: white marlin] #6970484
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Article claims the flu shot is 70% effective, THAT discredits the whole piece, right there!


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Life is about choices.
Be true to yourself and your beliefs.

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