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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: Yukon John] #6970494
08/22/20 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
Article claims the flu shot is 70% effective, THAT discredits the whole piece, right there!

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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970500
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I wonder if employers could legally require it

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: AJE] #6970560
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Originally Posted by AJE
I wonder if employers could legally require it


I don't know if it's legal or not, but where my wife works as a nurse she is required to either get a flu shot or wear a mask all during flu season. It's been that way for years.


Eh...wot?

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970575
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Originally Posted by charles
Even the general public could be incentivized to get vaccinated. “Oddly enough, the best way to impose a mandate is to reward people with more freedom if they follow that mandate,” Caplan says. For example, with proof of inoculation, you would be able to attend a sporting event “as a reward for doing the right thing,” he says. “And I can imagine people saying, If you want to go to my restaurant, my bowling alley, or my tattoo parlor, then I want to see a vaccine certificate, too.”


if that doesn't either make your blood boil or run ice cold, you're not a True American!

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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970648
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My wife Donna asked me a sincere question as we were driving home from a super day floating down the Frio River with our youngest daughter Katie who's an RN, starting into a Nurse Practitioner program this coming week in San Antonio.

"How did our nation get to where it is now?"

That's the question of the day it would seem.

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970650
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It did not happen by accident, people that crave power working a plan is how it happened.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970730
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My wife and I have already decided neither us or our kids will be getting it. If the school makes it mandatory, we will homeschool. If restaurants or any other business requires it, we will shop elsewhere.

Put a chemical in my kids bodies that was developed in a rush and then not properly tested, with unknown side effects and no real clinical trials? No. HE// no.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970742
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People are going to line up for it without question. I can't be the only one that keeps hearing "maybe by then we will have a vaccine"

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: Marty] #6970748
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Originally Posted by Marty
It did not happen by accident, people that crave power working a plan is how it happened.


and those of us on the correct side became complacent. when we stopped caring enough to be involved with our children's education, that opened the door for the socialists to teach our kids.

Malcolm X was credited with the quote "Only a fool would allow his enemies to educate his children"....

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970749
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The flu shot is 70% effective because the 30% of the time it doesn’t work, the patient has been infected with a strain of mutated virus that came about after production of the annual vaccine. Fortunately, the Corona Virus does not mutate as quickly as its cousin the flu virus.

I am not qualified to render medical advice. Many more of us aren’t either, thus we all make assumptions about a vaccine’s failure rate before the vaccine is even developed.

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970762
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When has the flu shot been 70% effective, more like 50% on a good year 35% on a bad year.

Re: Required Vaccination [Re: Bob] #6970769
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Originally Posted by Bob
My wife and I have already decided neither us or our kids will be getting it. If the school makes it mandatory, we will homeschool. If restaurants or any other business requires it, we will shop elsewhere.

Put a chemical in my kids bodies that was developed in a rush and then not properly tested, with unknown side effects and no real clinical trials? No. HE// no.


I certainly have no issue with you making decisions for yourselves ( especially homeschooling !! ) but I don't understand why you would say ..." not properly tested, with unknown side effects and no real clinical trials"


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970773
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White17, because in the past it has taken years, even decades to develop vaccines, and even then the side effects are not always known for many years later. This vaccine is on rush order, the government has already authorized it to be distributed without the required amount of testing and clinicals. I think that one day this vaccine will end up on one of those commercials, “were you or a loved one given the covid 19 vaccine in 2021? You may be entitled to compensation”


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: Bob] #6970781
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Originally Posted by Bob
White17, because in the past it has taken years, even decades to develop vaccines, and even then the side effects are not always known for many years later. This vaccine is on rush order, the government has already authorized it to be distributed without the required amount of testing and clinicals. I think that one day this vaccine will end up on one of those commercials, “were you or a loved one given the covid 19 vaccine in 2021? You may be entitled to compensation”



The part in bold above is not accurate. Nothing has been given approval by the FDA.
Some therapeutic.treatments........have been given emergency use authorization but no vaccine has that I am aware of. Could have missed it I suppose.

Several vaccine candidates are currently in phase 2 & 3 of clinical trials. Pfizer has enrolled 30,000 patients and Johnson & Johnson has enrolled 60,000. That seems pretty significant to me.

The FDA has also said they will not approve any vaccine that does not meet safety standards and provide efficacy of at least 50% over placebo..

There are, naturally, concerns about the speed at which this is moving. That is understandable. But it seems to me that this type of effort is no different than the Manhattan Project. I think we should make similar efforts in a lot of fields.


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970789
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Might I add, there are already three known treatments of meds that not a few docs, worldwide , have already been using for those who are sick, with amazing positive results....meds that have been safe, well tested for decades for other ailments , that have seen good results with China Virus patients .

I too agree on the ability to speed up research in progress in a lot of fields...


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970791
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First the country is in the shape it's in because we have let it happen and second what is going on with the Russian vaccine they said a week or so ago they had one and were giving it to people?

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Originally Posted by rex123
First the country is in the shape it's in because we have let it happen and second what is going on with the Russian vaccine they said a week or so ago they had one and were giving it to people?



Yes that's the 'vaccine' that was tested on 76 people ! LOL


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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970795
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Re: Required Vaccination [Re: charles] #6970808
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
When has the flu shot been 70% effective, more like 50% on a good year 35% on a bad year.


The flu shot is 70% effective against the strain of flu it was created to vaccinate against. It's overall effectiveness is lower, when the receiver is exposed to other flu strains.

I'm not scared to get vaccinated. I don't think there's likely to be some sort of nefarious plot connected to vaccinating people.

Keith

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