Re: Shoot first ask questions later
[Re: trapper20]
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08/26/20 03:54 PM
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Just remember folks, what you approve of cops doing to others , is what others will approve of cops doing to you. The guy may be a dirtbag and had it commin, but some day, you could also be thought of as a dirtbag and get the same. But you wont even make the local news. If the cops get the message that this behavior is alright, god help us all. the big difference is i wouldnt fight with the police and resist. there are millions of police contacts every day and no one gets shot- but the dont fight, they listen when officers say let me see your hands, they listen when an officer says stop, etc,etc. Don’t know if it is true but the mystery channel cites there is an arrest made every 2.5 seconds in the USA.
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
[Re: AntiGov]
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08/26/20 04:33 PM
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Protect themselves from what ? Wolfer
That's the million dollar question
Was it a gun ? A knife ? A cell phone ? A doughnut ? Or maybe nothing at all
All the above are not equal Your asserting that he should have been beaten down immediately? This guy obviously made a very bad choice that he paid for, he chose to breakaway from LE and then he chose to ignore their command to stop, and then he chose to lean down and reach for "something", sounds like a suicide by cop. His choice. This is not to say advanced training for deescalation would be a good thing.
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
[Re: wy.wolfer]
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08/26/20 06:23 PM
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Protect themselves from what ? Wolfer
That's the million dollar question
Was it a gun ? A knife ? A cell phone ? A doughnut ? Or maybe nothing at all
All the above are not equal Your asserting that he should have been beaten down immediately? This guy obviously made a very bad choice that he paid for, he chose to breakaway from LE and then he chose to ignore their command to stop, and then he chose to lean down and reach for "something", sounds like a suicide by cop. His choice. This is not to say advanced training for deescalation would be a good thing. So now I am really confused, can anyone shoot anyone for leaning and reaching for "something? Or perhaps it is just cops. I would think a life or death situation would be handled a little less cavalier. I dont blame the cop at all, but i would have a talk with the guy that trained him and put him in the field.
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
[Re: Diggerman]
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08/26/20 08:04 PM
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I dont blame the cop at all, but i would have a talk with the guy that trained him and put him in the field. What would you tell the trainer? Don’t shoot, not until a weapon is actually being pointed at or used against you? Ever try to draw from the drop to try gaining/regaining control of a situation? Just a hot tip, you’d lose that game. Don’t shoot until you’ve voiced commands, tried hands on, used a less than lethal taser, tried voicing commands again, then it’s OK to shoot? Isn’t that what happened? It’s simple. Don’t be stoopid, and the odds are better than astronomical that you’re gonna live through a police interaction. Owl
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
[Re: Marty]
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08/26/20 08:12 PM
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They probably should have just let him leave and go about his business. After all a thug with felony warrants who will not comply with police officers is a great person to have running around town doing as he pleases. Yup,,then Diggerman could take him home for a nice dinner with his family.Maybe let him spend the night.
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
[Re: AntiGov]
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08/26/20 08:26 PM
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Maybe we should just shoot all citizens with a criminal background because they " might " have a gun
Or maybe we should just shoot all gun owners because they " might " have a record .
I still haven't seen or heard of any weapon this dirt bag had or was supposedly reaching for.
If it's true , I'll change my position
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
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08/26/20 08:44 PM
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Maybe we should just shoot all citizens with a criminal background because they " might " have a gun
Or maybe we should just shoot all gun owners because they " might " have a record .
I still haven't seen or heard of any weapon this dirt bag had or was supposedly reaching for.
If it's true , I'll change my position You seem about as smart as all them boneheads getting shot.
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
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08/26/20 08:46 PM
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Maybe we should just shoot all citizens with a criminal background because they " might " have a gun
Or maybe we should just shoot all gun owners because they " might " have a record .
I still haven't seen or heard of any weapon this dirt bag had or was supposedly reaching for.
If it's true , I'll change my position You seem about as smart as all them boneheads getting shot. Why don't you send me a plane ticket and we'll discuss it in person
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
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08/26/20 08:49 PM
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https://www.fox6now.com/news/doj-id...e-as-rusten-sheskey-says-blake-had-knifePublished 1 hour ago Updated 20 mins ago KENOSHA, Wis. - Officials with the Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation on Wednesday evening, Aug. 26 released the name of the officer who shot Jacob Blake Sunday, Aug. 23, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, a seven-year veteran. DOJ officials said Blake "admitted that he had a knife in his possession" Sunday evening. DOJ officials said Kenosha police were dispatched to a residence near 28th Street and 40th Avenue after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises. Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, Jacob Blake During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Blake, 29. DOJ officials said law enforcement deployed a Taser to attempt to stop Blake, however, the Taser was not successful. Blake then walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door and leaned forward, officials said. While holding onto Blake’s shirt, Officer Sheskey fired his service weapon seven times "into Mr. Blake’s back." No other officer fired their weapon, DOJ officials noted. The Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras. Therefore, the officers were not wearing body cameras. Jacob Blake During the investigation following the initial incident, Blake "admitted that he had a knife in his possession," officials said. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons. Law enforcement immediately provided medical aid to Blake. Flight for Life transported Blake to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee, where he remained as of Wednesday. Unrest in Kenosha DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by the FBI, Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Department. The involved officers have been placed on administrative leave. Officials with the DOJ noted in a news release Wednesday the DCI report will be turned over to a prosecutor, and "when DCI is the lead investigating agency of a shooting involving a law enforcement officer, DCI aims to provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days. The prosecutor then reviews the report and makes a determination about what charges, if any, are appropriate. If the prosecutor determines there is no basis for prosecution of the law enforcement officer, DCI will thereafter make the report available to the public."
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
[Re: Wanna Be]
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08/26/20 09:46 PM
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Diggerman, what are you confused about? If a civilian pulls a gun on me I will respond with like force. Why would you pull a gun on someone demanding them to stop and want to see my hands?
Police officers called to a domestic dispute on a person that already has felonies against him is totally different. Their lives matter too. If you don’t listen and comply then face the consequences. Better yet, don’t break the law and you won’t have issues. I’ve been stopped on suspicion before with guns drawn and ordered out of my truck. I complied, walked backwards with arms raised, got on my knees as ordered and laid somewhat gently face down on the asphalt. Even had a knee in my back when the radio call came in that someone else had caught the guy. They apologized and offered a supervisor to come out and take my complaint. I grew up respecting LEO’s and figured they were just doing their job. No complaint filed.
Someone in a truck just like mine had robbed a bank at gunpoint and shot someone and fled the same route I was taking. Had I not complied, I do believe they would have not hesitated to use force. OK, riddle me this, two cops, one thought it was a good idea to shoot a man in the back, one didn't which one was wrong? According to everything you have said, the shooter was not only right, but that was his only choice, yet the other cop seems to agree with me.
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Re: Shoot first ask questions later
[Re: wetdog]
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08/26/20 10:01 PM
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Diggerman the only reason it was the only safe shot for the officer had was simple Raise his sidearm to a horizontal direction and now other people's lives are in his line of fire. He made the right call Daggone, now he still looking for someone to agree with him. lol
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