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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: wy.wolfer] #6975210
08/27/20 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Alaska has the best market for wolves and wolverine. Most of the Canadian goods end up there (at least wolverine). How could you buy either species on an online auction without looking at the skins? Last sale is not a good comparison for the market. This one will be at least a little better.


FHA graded all of them so buyers don't have to. They are professional Canadian graders. When are buyers going to learn that they cannot grade fur. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. smile


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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Dirt] #6975225
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Alaska has the best market for wolves and wolverine. Most of the Canadian goods end up there (at least wolverine). How could you buy either species on an online auction without looking at the skins? Last sale is not a good comparison for the market. This one will be at least a little better.


FHA graded all of them so buyers don't have to. They are professional Canadian graders. When are buyers going to learn that they cannot grade fur. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. smile

Wolves are so different that the Canadian auctions lot them as single skins, except for lower grades that sometimes have 2-4 skins in the lot. Have you ever been to a big auction?

Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6975237
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No desire to go. Heard enough flim flam when I took the Stoughton tour. I observed stuff while they were talking.


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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Savell] #6975247
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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6975289
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Dirt can't pick on NAFA so FHA is next.

Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6975301
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FH has posted pictures of every wolverine in the catalog, even the one that is valued at $20.00.

Also pictures of the better wolves, arctic fox and wild silver box.

Isn’t the same as seeing pelt in person but it is a big help for those that can’t attend the auction in person.


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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Rat Masterson] #6975320
08/27/20 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Dirt can't pick on NAFA so FHA is next.


FHA and NAFA were my best friends when WE were making money. WE may be again. All those trappers with bounced checks that loved NAFA sure did turn on them during these difficult times. smile

I have no emotional attachment to supposed Auction companies. Business is business.


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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: coonman220] #6975429
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Originally Posted by coonman220
That was nafa actual press release. ? They say try screw fha shippers? Exactly as worded? So no more nafa come back for nomore auctions or saga wild fur ?


No coonman, that is not an actual press release. Fake news made up by me in a lame attempt at humor.

Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: wissmiss] #6975433
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
FH has posted pictures of every wolverine in the catalog, even the one that is valued at $20.00.

Also pictures of the better wolves, arctic fox and wild silver box.

Isn’t the same as seeing pelt in person but it is a big help for those that can’t attend the auction in person.


What about the bears? My best graded one has a weird lot number so assuming hed sold already just waiting for fair market value I'm assuming. Do the rest have pics available?

Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6975477
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No bear pictures. At least not as of last night. They could be adding more today.

If your bear has an odd lot it may have been sold or used for another purpose. Some times the auction houses pull special pelts to use in grading demonstrations. If so, you will be paid fair market value once the auction is over.


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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6975505
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Ya nafa did that all the time. It's always my best ones, I guess that way the buyer doesn't have to worry about a bidding war. Sucks for me though.

Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: wissmiss] #6975506
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
No bear pictures. At least not as of last night. They could be adding more today.

If your bear has an odd lot it may have been sold or used for another purpose. Some times the auction houses pull special pelts to use in grading demonstrations. If so, you will be paid fair market value once the auction is over.


Interesting wissmiss,
I have 2 bears there and both have bogus lot numbers.

Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6975516
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Any number of reasons for bogus lot numbers. Just speculating which one applies.

- pulled for a special purpose
- sold before the sale
- didn’t got looted for this sale
- pelt was received and then lost
- etc.

As in the past, everything seems to work itself out in the end. The pelt is in their computer system so you should get paid something.


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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: wissmiss] #6975518
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Any number of reasons for bogus lot numbers. Just speculating which one applies.

- pulled for a special purpose
- sold before the sale
- didn’t got looted for this sale
- pelt was received and then lost
- etc.

As in the past, everything seems to work itself out in the end. The pelt is in their computer system so you should get paid something.


For sure! They were lotted in the last sale so likely sold.

Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6975550
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If they were lotted in the last sale, then I would say definitely sold PT. I bet they will show up
On your report after the upcoming sale.

Keep in mind that FH has been operating with a bare minimum staff during this pandemic mess, so probably the paperwork is a bit behind.


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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6977533
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"49. To create additional revenue pending the auction sales, NAFA has relaxed its own price
levels on its owned inventory of remaining wild fur and mink furs. These furs are being offered
for sale at a limited on-site sale of furs (the “Private Treaty Open House”) discussed below,
which will take place between the end of August and the beginning of September."

Latest NAFA court document

"18. Given the foregoing, with further time in this process, while our primary focus remains
repaying the debt owing to the Agent, I remain hopeful that there may be some recovery for
creditors beyond the Agent."


"37. When the Agent initially made demand on NAFA in August 2019, it was owed
approximately $65,000,000.
38. As of the date of this affidavit, the operating portion of the debt owing to the Agent has
been reduced to approximately $17,200,000 plus an additional $4,800,000 owing in respect of the
real property in Poland."

"132. Hypothetically, NAFA could collect furs in the Fall and Winter of 2020/2021 and conduct
auctions and sales in 2021. It clearly does not currently have the funding to do and has no plans to
do so. Nonetheless, in my view, effectively, it remains a turn key solution for someone who wanted
to conduct a fur auction in North America."

"136. However, due to Covid-19, the lack of foreign travellers and the continually scaled back
size of the auction or likely attendees, NAFA and FHA decided to cancel the holding of an auction
at the Skyway Property. FHA is proceeding with an auction on August 30 and 31, 2020. A small
amount of NAFA product is to be offered at that auction at this time.
137. Despite engaging in material private treaty sales during the 8 months since my last
affidavit, NAFA still has a material quantity of wild fur and unsold mink from 2019. The quantities
will be set out in the notes to the Cash Flow Forecast in the Monitor’s Fourth Report.
138. NAFA expects to be able to sell the majority of those skins before October 31, 2020 in two
ways. First, NAFA will continue to sell skins to private treaty inquiries. These inquiries have
increased in the months of July and August as the fur industry starts to recover.
139. Second, NAFA intends to host a “Private Treaty Open House” in late August around the
time of the Fur Harvesters auction in North Bay, Ontario. Buyers attending the Fur Harvesters
auction will likely transit through Toronto and NAFA will have its goods on display in the Skyway
Property before and after that sale to allow inspection and purchase of its remaining goods. The
goods would be sold on a cash and carry basis. In accordance with earlier court orders, these
proceeds will be held by the Monitor to allow for payments to consignors."




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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6977543
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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: Canvasback2] #6977552
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Dirt - thanks for posting that information. Their PT sale is progressing and they are moving a few goods.

Some species, like beaver, marten, wolverine, bears, wolves - they have hardly any inventory left.

When it comes to species like possum, ringtails and several others, they have so much inventory I’m not sure they will ever be able to move all of it.

And for those that are wondering, I have been told by a very reliable source that the cold storage units have been on and running this entire year. That is good news.


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Re: Saw this on the NAFA website [Re: kingrat] #6977639
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Originally Posted by kingrat
Ya nafa did that all the time. It's always my best ones, I guess that way the buyer doesn't have to worry about a bidding war. Sucks for me though.


Once England opens up you can go see your bears at the "Changing of the Guard" they are on display everyday. Just watch the bayonete's they are pointy and sharp if you get too close.

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sold 1 beav @ 18.00 1 ermine @ .60 only fur left is 1 good lynx cat unsold


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