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Re: FH auction [Re: beaverpeeler] #6979099
08/31/20 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Wissmiss probably has a better idea of buying strategy than most of us but I would think that if you want to buy fur that is up there but want to get it as cheap as possible (knowing there isn't much competition) you just wait until you can dicker for them PT. No reason to bid at all during live auction.

Therefore, we'll see how much fur actually got bought later, not necessarily right now.



This is exactly what I believe is happening. More so with the current state of everything. It’s a buyers market at this Time in this situation.

Re: FH auction [Re: GROUSEWIT] #6979103
08/31/20 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GROUSEWIT
Originally Posted by pcr2
gonna have to make it up with volume i guess. whistle


U missed economics class in school didn't ya? tired


The ole NAFA strategery. smile


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Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979139
08/31/20 01:30 PM
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Too much fur on hand for the current demand.Gonna have to quit supplying until the old fur is cleared up and the buyers start competing for fur.
Just too much in the pipeline right now.Internationally,a buyers market for sure.They can get all they need without having to compete for whats available.


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Re: FH auction [Re: novatrapper01] #6979154
08/31/20 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Wissmiss probably has a better idea of buying strategy than most of us but I would think that if you want to buy fur that is up there but want to get it as cheap as possible (knowing there isn't much competition) you just wait until you can dicker for them PT. No reason to bid at all during live auction.

Therefore, we'll see how much fur actually got bought later, not necessarily right now.

Originally Posted by novatrapper01
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Wissmiss probably has a better idea of buying strategy than most of us but I would think that if you want to buy fur that is up there but want to get it as cheap as possible (knowing there isn't much competition) you just wait until you can dicker for them PT. No reason to bid at all during live auction.

Therefore, we'll see how much fur actually got bought later, not necessarily right now.


This is exactly what I believe is happening. More so with the current state of everything. It’s a buyers market at this Time in this situation.


Go back and read the bottom of the page on the order of sale on page two. PT buying is done after the sale ends today.


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Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979180
08/31/20 02:17 PM
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Was just going by what happened yesterday. I had 1 or 2 cats sell during sale but ended up moving 11 at the end of the day.

Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979183
08/31/20 02:19 PM
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A clarification on the PT buying. The original announcement said that PT buying would end when the final hammer dropped today.

Today’s auction ended a lot sooner than was anticipated, so they are now accepting PT offers through the end of the business day today. Which I think is fair. At least as far as the original rule is concerned. I know there is a lot of heated discussion about PT sales in general and I don’t want to open that whole can or worms.

I know that I personally submitted a few PT offers at 11 AM North Bay time, while the auction was still going on. They were unable to get back to me until just now and were considering my offers.


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Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979186
08/31/20 02:23 PM
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I'm hoping alot of beavers move pt,

Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979187
08/31/20 02:25 PM
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The following is a quote from the FHA Website on the Order of Sale under the Buyers tab:

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Private Treaty sales will only be conducted on August 30 and 31. No P.T. sales will be conducted after the final
hammer falls on August 31. No P.T. sales will be conducted for any species until the auction for that species is
complete.


And the announcement at the beginning of the auction this morning reminded the buyers that PT Sales was only available after the items had been offered on the auction floor and that anyone wanting to make purchases via PT had to do so prior to the final hammer of today's sale. They further stated that PT Sales would not be available after today until some undisclosed time this fall.

Note: I had not seen the post by Wissmiss before I posted this but I do agree that extending the PT until close of business today seems reasonable. I also believe it is reasonable for FHA to close PT sales for a month or two after today to encourage folks with needs to buy what they need now.

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Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979209
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Thank you QuietButDeadly. Nice to have some one agree with me. smile


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Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979217
08/31/20 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
A clarification on the PT buying. The original announcement said that PT buying would end when the final hammer dropped today.

Today’s auction ended a lot sooner than was anticipated, so they are now accepting PT offers through the end of the business day today. Which I think is fair. At least as far as the original rule is concerned. I know there is a lot of heated discussion about PT sales in general and I don’t want to open that whole can or worms.

I know that I personally submitted a few PT offers at 11 AM North Bay time, while the auction was still going on. They were unable to get back to me until just now and were considering my offers.


Absolutely! I hope they clear some stock out so we can move on at some point!

Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979227
08/31/20 03:22 PM
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Accounts are already updated if you sold anything.
Western coyotes were not terrible but 96 bucks for my top one is a far cry from 230 of last year.

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Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979234
08/31/20 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Thank you QuietButDeadly. Nice to have some one agree with me. smile

Dave B gives you two thumbs up for all the info you put out there.

Hats off for all the work they did on pictures of the wolves and gulo posted for the buyers

Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979260
08/31/20 04:05 PM
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Just an observation from almost 60 years of trapping and selling fur. I have never in my life sold a number 1 female fisher for 12 dollars nor have I sold 3X muskrats for 2.50 at the value of money today that 17" inch beautiful rat cannot even buy me a coffee at Dunkins! It is extremely apparent that for all intents and purposes there is no wild fur market, these prices do not even reflect speculation, they are almost of no commercial value, in 1968 i sold my rats for $1.30 nose count with the kits and damaged out, in the crash of 89 which was the worst in my career I still sold my 3x/Xl rats for 3.00 I had hoped that somehow there would still be enough market world wide to have fur be of some value, it has no value! when a beautiful winter muskrat cannot buy a cup of coffee for all intents and purposes they have no value! What is next?

Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979262
08/31/20 04:07 PM
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Question for you FHA people. Two of my coyotes ended up in a lot that was not in the catalog. I now see that they sold for $15 each. Any one know what this lot number means?

159957 1X-LG II HVY-SEMI A-B

Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979270
08/31/20 04:13 PM
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Things might go better in future, late year or early next year, might be better to sell gfw. Unless ok with waiting for your to a year. I talk about coon prices

Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979273
08/31/20 04:15 PM
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Has anyone had a beaver castor update?


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Re: FH auction [Re: ebsurveyor] #6979280
08/31/20 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Question for you FHA people. Two of my coyotes ended up in a lot that was not in the catalog. I now see that they sold for $15 each. Any one know what this lot number means?

159957 1X-LG II HVY-SEMI A-B


I think that means they were sold over the summer. Sometime between the April online sale and today’s live auction. Just a hunch.

There are any number of folks with those type lots. Mostly coyotes.


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Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979323
08/31/20 05:49 PM
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As a buyer FHA just posted that they will have a online auction starting Sept 4 an running until Sept 11. For all the unsold goods from this sale.

Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979330
08/31/20 05:59 PM
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Sad state of affairs for sure. There is a wide range of fur harvesters.
Some guys in the bush absolutely depend on money from a winter's fur harvest to heavily subsidize their way of living.
Some guys trap for a hobby that don't need the money. (I lost $4-500 trapping muskrats a few years ago. I don't do it anymore.)
Rural kids drive around in Dad's pickup burning Dad's gas while they spotlight coon.
Coyotes will always need harvested because of their predatorial nature. They will be harvested whether they're worth $100 or whether an ADC man traps them for pay.
Same with beaver.
Hopefully the market will come back, but until then I'll keep swinging a hammer and running a chainsaw.


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Re: FH auction [Re: wissmiss] #6979333
08/31/20 06:04 PM
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Interestingly my coyote average this year is within a few cents of half of last years average. Last year $66.83, this year $33.40. Still have three western cats that had presale valuations of around $650 to $700 each. I'd take $650 for all three together right now and be thrilled. Oh yeah and one at NAFA that I guess I'll just donate being the sort of guy I am.

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