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LA evicting church #6979408
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From a parking lot Grace Community Church has leased & used for over 40 years.
Why? because John MacArthur (a favorite of mine) and the churchs board decided to hold church even though Ca Gov banned any church gatherings. Case has gone before the courts, the courts decided in favor of the church.
Now LA is evicting the church.

Emails are included in the article below

https://www.toddstarnes.com/faith/l...J4AJTfYMdgWbbKJ25_bb6vVv8RW57pc6wbyPdCro

Re: LA evicting church [Re: adam m] #6979410
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Render to Caesar what is Caesars.

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I'm not sure what you mean by that Mark.Could you please explain a bit more than that.Or add more to that so I can understand exactly what you mean.I would sure appreciate that.Thanks

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Re: LA evicting church [Re: niteprowler] #6979449
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Originally Posted by niteprowler
I'm not sure what you mean by that Mark.Could you please explain a bit more than that.Or add more to that so I can understand exactly what you mean.I would sure appreciate that.Thanks


The article states;
"For the past 45 years Grace Community Church has leased a large portion of its parking lot from Los Angeles County."

Jesus answered this type of question, so I'm sticking with the Messiah's answer to these types of questions. If the county owns it, let them have it. Move ahead with the Gospel of the Incarnate Man who answered this question almost 2,000 years ago;

Matthew 22:15-22
Then the Pharisees (the proponents of the Law who had not abandoned Jerusalem as the Essens had) went and plotted together how they might trap Him in what He said.
And they sent their disciples to Him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any. “Tell us then, what do You think? Is it lawful to give a poll-tax to Caesar, or not?”
But Jesus perceived their malice, and said, “Why are you testing Me, you hypocrites?
“Show Me the coin used for the poll-tax.” And they brought Him a denarius.
And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?”
They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” Then He *said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.”
And hearing this, they were amazed, and leaving Him, they went away.


The American church squabbles over things that don't matter near as much as the Gospel.
They need to focus.

Blessings,
Mark

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Well said Mark!



Re: LA evicting church [Re: adam m] #6979461
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I heard about this to Adam. This church is unlike most churches. Most churches and their leaders tremble like Saul's army when facing giants. The giant in this case being CA government and it's insistence on minimizing and/or eliminating the God given right to worship. Good to see a church with the heart of David and the faith that God will win in the end.

Last edited by J Staton; 08/31/20 08:36 PM.

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Exactly Mark and J.
When I first saw them announce their defiance my heart and soul rejoiced loudly. If you guys haven't seen John MacArthur make the announcement you should.

I'm surprised more churches aren't taking a stance and it's taken this long.

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Mark June,
I would beg to differ with you a little. Caesar was a monarch, we don't live under a monarchy but a democratic republic, the people are in power. We have a Constitution, I think it is within this churches rights and maybe even their obligation to defend their position.

If you want to debate whether or not a populist lead government is within God's plan then that is a different argument; we might agree on that issue.


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Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar. But also, we must obey God and not man. when Caesar says you can't meet as a church, you tell Caesar to stick it where the sun don't shine.

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waggler,

Humbly offered brother. I see your point.
Stand firm if talking a civil case perhaps.
A Gospel stance, no way.

The Pharisees were the pious, stanch religious of their day. We still have their brethren in our modern church, so Jesus' Words are very helpful to direct His Bride.
My point is; The Gospel's primary focus is loving God, and loving each other.
If that's what this is all about, great.
If not, let's regroup.

Blessings,
Mark

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Originally Posted by Mark June
Render to Caesar what is Caesars.


+1

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Originally Posted by waggler
Mark June,
I would beg to differ with you a little. Caesar was a monarch, we don't live under a monarchy but a democratic republic, the people are in power. We have a Constitution, I think it is within this churches rights and maybe even their obligation to defend their position.

If you want to debate whether or not a populist lead government is within God's plan then that is a different argument; we might agree on that issue.

I believe what Jesus was referring to was that his followers should obey the governments that God allows to be over us currently as long as those governments do not force its citizens to violate God's laws/principles.

Hebrews does say that we should not forsake the gathering together but what CA has mandated doesn't prohibit that strictly just with some limitations. There are easy work arounds.

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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by waggler
Mark June,
I would beg to differ with you a little. Caesar was a monarch, we don't live under a monarchy but a democratic republic, the people are in power. We have a Constitution, I think it is within this churches rights and maybe even their obligation to defend their position.

If you want to debate whether or not a populist lead government is within God's plan then that is a different argument; we might agree on that issue.

I believe what Jesus was referring to was that his followers should obey the governments that God allows to be over us currently as long as those governments do not force its citizens to violate God's laws/principles.

Hebrews does say that we should not forsake the gathering together but what CA has mandated doesn't prohibit that strictly just with some limitations. There are easy work arounds.


Amen

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I listen to John MacArthur almost every Sunday on Bott radio. Great man and a great preacher. I hope the best for him and his church.


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Pike, Ca has banned ALL worship and church services. It prevents the church from the being the church, they can't gather, worship, mourn, pray or celebrate as a church, the 1st ammendment says they can freely worship.

Go to the video posted on July 31. He spells it out
https://m.facebook.com/gracecomchurch/

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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by waggler
Mark June,
I would beg to differ with you a little. Caesar was a monarch, we don't live under a monarchy but a democratic republic, the people are in power. We have a Constitution, I think it is within this churches rights and maybe even their obligation to defend their position.

If you want to debate whether or not a populist lead government is within God's plan then that is a different argument; we might agree on that issue.

I believe what Jesus was referring to was that his followers should obey the governments that God allows to be over us currently as long as those governments do not force its citizens to violate God's laws/principles.

Hebrews does say that we should not forsake the gathering together but what CA has mandated doesn't prohibit that strictly just with some limitations. There are easy work arounds.

So I can go shop in a Walmart but can't worship inside a church. You can hide behind the cross, but you shouldn't cower. Hard to make disciples when your shaking in your armor from fear of the giants before you.


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I can't believe this is really happening.


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It will be interesting to see how parking cars fairs out.


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Originally Posted by adam m
Pike, Ca has banned ALL worship and church services. It prevents the church from the being the church, they can't gather, worship, mourn, pray or celebrate as a church, the 1st ammendment says they can freely worship.

Go to the video posted on July 31. He spells it out
https://m.facebook.com/gracecomchurch/

They didnit ban worship. Your most important congregation are those in your home.

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