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Healthcare #6980658
09/02/20 05:48 AM
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Is it a right?



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Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980660
09/02/20 06:02 AM
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Absolutely not. Is it a right to take care of your body?


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Re: Healthcare [Re: Scout1] #6980662
09/02/20 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Scout1
Absolutely not. Is it a right to take care of your body?


Responsibility.



-Goofy-
Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980677
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Not trying to derail your thread .but I call it wealth care Doctors ,insurance companies and pharmacies get wealthy And that is their right to get rich off of your medical problerms

Re: Healthcare [Re: w side rd 151] #6980686
09/02/20 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by w side rd 151
Not trying to derail your thread .but I call it wealth care Doctors ,insurance companies and pharmacies get wealthy And that is their right to get rich off of your medical problerms


Iím curious, how much debt did you accumulate to learn how to do what you do? Sleepless nights studying?



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Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980696
09/02/20 07:25 AM
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It's not a right, it's a racquet. Or racket. Give me all your money, plus some, or you will die.
Yes, edjumication is expensive but they can pay it off in a couple years, or some facilities will pay student loans off for a Dr if they will come work at their facility.

Last edited by Gary Benson; 09/02/20 07:27 AM.

I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980708
09/02/20 07:40 AM
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Sounds like some of you are for salary caps on workers.

How do you feel about caps on price/acre?

Houses?



-Goofy-
Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980737
09/02/20 08:22 AM
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I don't think doctors earn an excessive amount of money given the level of their education, responsibility, training, and hard work they put in.

Health care is certainly not a right.

The problem with our health care system is that the consumer is completely isolated from the cost and benefit decision making. We need to bring free market forces to bear on the health care industry.


What from Christ that soul can sever,
Bound by everlasting bands?
None shall take thee
From the Strength of Israel's hands.

Re: Healthcare [Re: Kart29] #6980740
09/02/20 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Kart29
I don't think doctors earn an excessive amount of money given the level of their education, responsibility, training, and hard work they put in.

Health care is certainly not a right.

The problem with our health care system is that the consumer is completely isolated from the cost and benefit decision making. We need to bring free market forces to bear on the health care industry.


Because they donít ask or pay attention to it.



-Goofy-
Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980745
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Good thread laugh

Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980752
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There is no right to healthcare.

Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980760
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When you start out $550k into debt youíve got to have something to get you back out of the hole. The last earnings report I saw on our system was 7 million in ďcharityĒ care given out to people that already view it as a right (thatís in one fiscal year). Employees pay nearly another mortgage for family health insurance. The system is broken and really went out of control with entitlement during the ACA tenure.

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Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980831
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absolutely not a right

Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980935
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It's not a right. It is a racket though. It's not doctors. It's the administrators. The system is broke. If you're in for an extended stay, ask for your bill and a breakdown of the costs and look it over. When you need a box of Kleenex and they charge you double for what it is in the store, imagine how much they raise the price on everything else. Notice how hospitals are always building? They need your money.

Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6980940
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If health care is a right, then a doctor could conceivably be forced to practice without compensation.

It's about right to access vs right of provision. Access to healthcare is a right, but having it provided to you is not a right. Nobody should be prevented from seeing the doctor if they have the means to pay, and as far as I know, anybody in America who wants to see a doctor and can pay is free to do so. Along the same lines, access to a gun is a right, having one provided to you free of charge is not a right. Freedom of the press is a right, that doesn't mean you will be provided with a building, paper, ink, and a printing press.

Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6981087
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Nope. Part of a socialist platform that sounds really good to the uninitiated.


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Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6981221
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Health care is a service provided by highly trained and well paid professionals. If health care was a "human right" as Bernie says, then we should be providing it to all the humans on earth, even those in destitute countries where parents can't afford to feed their children. They also are humans after all and what right do we have to deny them the best care we can afford.

Re: Healthcare [Re: loosegoose] #6981228
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
If health care is a right, then a doctor could conceivably be forced to practice without compensation.

It's about right to access vs right of provision. Access to healthcare is a right, but having it provided to you is not a right. Nobody should be prevented from seeing the doctor if they have the means to pay, and as far as I know, anybody in America who wants to see a doctor and can pay is free to do so. Along the same lines, access to a gun is a right, having one provided to you free of charge is not a right. Freedom of the press is a right, that doesn't mean you will be provided with a building, paper, ink, and a printing press.


In a nutshell this is how I feel.

Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6981309
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It would be nice if healthcare was a right and everyone had free access to great healthcare but it's not possible. The only way to make it free is to take money from the people to pay for it - which makes it not free. The "right" to free healthcare is just a shell game to trick people out of their votes.

The other question - Do doctors make too much money? There is only one thing that determines a person's income. That is how difficult it is to enter their particular job. The more barriers to entry, the higher the pay. Becoming a medical doctor has a lot of barriers. Every one of us that is complaining about their salary made a choice not to do that job because we thought it was going to be too hard.


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Re: Healthcare [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6981313
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There are two problems with the health care industry --- the lawyers, and the insurance companies. Get rid of those and after a few years it would sort itself out.

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