Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 06:02 AM
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Scout1
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Absolutely not. Is it a right to take care of your body?
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Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 07:07 AM
09/02/20 07:07 AM
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Not trying to derail your thread .but I call it wealth care Doctors ,insurance companies and pharmacies get wealthy And that is their right to get rich off of your medical problerms I’m curious, how much debt did you accumulate to learn how to do what you do? Sleepless nights studying?
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Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 07:25 AM
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Gary Benson
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It's not a right, it's a racquet. Or racket. Give me all your money, plus some, or you will die. Yes, edjumication is expensive but they can pay it off in a couple years, or some facilities will pay student loans off for a Dr if they will come work at their facility.
Last edited by Gary Benson; 09/02/20 07:27 AM.
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Re: Healthcare
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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09/02/20 08:22 AM
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Kart29
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I don't think doctors earn an excessive amount of money given the level of their education, responsibility, training, and hard work they put in.
Health care is certainly not a right.
The problem with our health care system is that the consumer is completely isolated from the cost and benefit decision making. We need to bring free market forces to bear on the health care industry.
What from Christ that soul can sever, Bound by everlasting bands? None shall take thee From the Strength of Israel's hands.
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Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 08:29 AM
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I don't think doctors earn an excessive amount of money given the level of their education, responsibility, training, and hard work they put in.
Health care is certainly not a right.
The problem with our health care system is that the consumer is completely isolated from the cost and benefit decision making. We need to bring free market forces to bear on the health care industry. Because they don’t ask or pay attention to it.
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Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 08:55 AM
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When you start out $550k into debt you’ve got to have something to get you back out of the hole. The last earnings report I saw on our system was 7 million in “charity” care given out to people that already view it as a right (that’s in one fiscal year). Employees pay nearly another mortgage for family health insurance. The system is broken and really went out of control with entitlement during the ACA tenure.
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Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 01:25 PM
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Sprung & Rusty
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It's not a right. It is a racket though. It's not doctors. It's the administrators. The system is broke. If you're in for an extended stay, ask for your bill and a breakdown of the costs and look it over. When you need a box of Kleenex and they charge you double for what it is in the store, imagine how much they raise the price on everything else. Notice how hospitals are always building? They need your money.
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Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 01:31 PM
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If health care is a right, then a doctor could conceivably be forced to practice without compensation.
It's about right to access vs right of provision. Access to healthcare is a right, but having it provided to you is not a right. Nobody should be prevented from seeing the doctor if they have the means to pay, and as far as I know, anybody in America who wants to see a doctor and can pay is free to do so. Along the same lines, access to a gun is a right, having one provided to you free of charge is not a right. Freedom of the press is a right, that doesn't mean you will be provided with a building, paper, ink, and a printing press.
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Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 07:49 PM
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Bob_Iowa
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If health care is a right, then a doctor could conceivably be forced to practice without compensation.
It's about right to access vs right of provision. Access to healthcare is a right, but having it provided to you is not a right. Nobody should be prevented from seeing the doctor if they have the means to pay, and as far as I know, anybody in America who wants to see a doctor and can pay is free to do so. Along the same lines, access to a gun is a right, having one provided to you free of charge is not a right. Freedom of the press is a right, that doesn't mean you will be provided with a building, paper, ink, and a printing press. In a nutshell this is how I feel.
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Re: Healthcare
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09/02/20 09:16 PM
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maintenanceguy
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It would be nice if healthcare was a right and everyone had free access to great healthcare but it's not possible. The only way to make it free is to take money from the people to pay for it - which makes it not free. The "right" to free healthcare is just a shell game to trick people out of their votes.
The other question - Do doctors make too much money? There is only one thing that determines a person's income. That is how difficult it is to enter their particular job. The more barriers to entry, the higher the pay. Becoming a medical doctor has a lot of barriers. Every one of us that is complaining about their salary made a choice not to do that job because we thought it was going to be too hard.
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